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« on: April 22, 2004, 07:55:47 PM »

When are we gonna get the Fantastico generator bundle like they have on Milescape.com? It has any PHP generators I always dreamed about!

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This Fantastico is really fantastic to me, dumb mortal who dunno and dont want to learn how to code!  Ner Ner
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2004, 01:51:56 AM »

Several of those are already available with LunarPages.

Why do you bother to get web hosting if you don't even want to learn to code? That's like getting a computer and not wanting to learn to read. Sure, you can get along by blindly clicking around but it sure makes things harder. Although some people start out knowing nothing when they first get web hosting, at least they're willing to learn.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2004, 02:10:20 AM »

I agree with TranzNDance, auto installers make things easy to start with, but are very inflexible, and in the long run make things much harder, especially if anything goes wrong.  If you manually install them, you at least have a basic understanding of how a script works.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2004, 09:23:24 AM »

speaking of something goes wrong

I recently setup my .htaccess file in the cpanel file manager which is great.  I now understand more about this file and setting up forwards and whatnot.  Now, I have been working with hotlinking protection. . .and every time I save my .htaccess after looking at it through the hotlink protection I have to re-edit the file and put in my forwards again.

Any way to hotlink protect\unprotect without losing my forwarding code every time.

Also - I have read the paragraph in cpanel a hundred times and tried to figure it out online. . .HOW do you protect files from being linked externally, while still being able to reference them from your own site?

i.e. <img blah blah
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2004, 11:14:27 AM »

As you probably know by now, fantastico is being installed on the Lunarpagees servers as we speak.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2004, 11:16:09 AM »

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Several of those are already available with LunarPages.

Why do you bother to get web hosting if you don't even want to learn to code? That's like getting a computer and not wanting to learn to read. Sure, you can get along by blindly clicking around but it sure makes things harder. Although some people start out knowing nothing when they first get web hosting, at least they're willing to learn.


That is like saying why bother with washing your clothes if you don't want to learn to wash them by hand.  There is a reason we have washing machines, dishwashers, microwave dinners, prepared food,...they make tasks that are time consuming less so.  Just because someone can't make jam doesn't mean they shouldn't buy jam already prepared and eat it.

Admittedly several of the options listed by the poster are already options available to LP customers.  Wanting more isn't a bad thing.  Not wanting to learn how to code isn't a bad thing.  To each his own.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2004, 12:04:20 PM »

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Several of those are already available with LunarPages.

Why do you bother to get web hosting if you don't even want to learn to code? That's like getting a computer and not wanting to learn to read. Sure, you can get along by blindly clicking around but it sure makes things harder. Although some people start out knowing nothing when they first get web hosting, at least they're willing to learn.


I agree with GirlGamerJae-good point. You see TranzNDance, there are many reasons somebody will not want to learn code. In my case, its not that I dont want to learn code, but its the fact that I dont have the time for it. I am an accountant who works full time and I am also starting up my own c.p.a firm. As a hobby, I love horror movies and so i decided to build  a website dedicated to them. By reading, using Dreamweaver, and Lunar pages, i was able to build my website on my own without hiring an expensive designer. Considering my lack of time, I think it is  a great achievement for me. Would I like to learn code? Sure, but that is not a priority right now. I am satisfied with what i have accomplished thus far. So theres a reason someone would get into webhosting without fully getting into code.  Hope that helps.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2004, 12:17:25 PM »

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That is like saying why bother with washing your clothes if you don't want to learn to wash them by hand.  There is a reason we have washing machines, dishwashers, microwave dinners, prepared food,...they make tasks that are time consuming less so.  Just because someone can't make jam doesn't mean they shouldn't buy jam already prepared and eat it.

Admittedly several of the options listed by the poster are already options available to LP customers.  Wanting more isn't a bad thing.  Not wanting to learn how to code isn't a bad thing.  To each his own.

If my washing machine breaks down, I would know how to wash by hand. If there is no dishwasher, I can wash by hand. If there is no car, I can walk.

The point is to know how to do things when the convenience of technology is not available. I am all for efficiency; inefficiency is my pet peeve. However, when people are clueless about coding and their preinstalled apps break down, it's like they're stranded on a raft without knowing how to swim. People don't have to become experts, but the bare minimum to get by would help them help themselves.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 01:03:14 PM »

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That is like saying why bother with washing your clothes if you don't want to learn to wash them by hand.  There is a reason we have washing machines, dishwashers, microwave dinners, prepared food,...they make tasks that are time consuming less so.  Just because someone can't make jam doesn't mean they shouldn't buy jam already prepared and eat it.

Admittedly several of the options listed by the poster are already options available to LP customers.  Wanting more isn't a bad thing.  Not wanting to learn how to code isn't a bad thing.  To each his own.

If my washing machine breaks down, I would know how to wash by hand. If there is no dishwasher, I can wash by hand. If there is no car, I can walk.

The point is to know how to do things when the convenience of technology is not available. I am all for efficiency; inefficiency is my pet peeve. However, when people are clueless about coding and their preinstalled apps break down, it's like they're stranded on a raft without knowing how to swim. People don't have to become experts, but the bare minimum to get by would help them help themselves.


Do you know how many people don't know how to wash clothes by hand, get out stains, wash them well enough to get the stink out, or wouldn't know how to deal with different fabrics?  Many people don't know how to effectively sanitize their dishes when they clean them by hand, and in-home kitchen contamination is the number one cause of food poisoning in the US. In our sedentary culture we have grown accustomed to, many couldn't walk because their fitness level wouldn't allow them to or they don't own proper footware.  Do you realize how many people don't even know how to cook basic nutritional meals from whole foods (not using prepared items)? (just for reference when I state "people" I am indicating adults)

Without technology the world as we know it would nose-dive into a tailspin faster than people think.

By the way lots of people raft that don't know how to swim... that is what lifejackets are for.  Relate that to the conversation at hand..If someone doesn't know how to code or design, or they run into a snag with their site, or something crashes and burns.. well forums, tutorials, other users, and product tech support are their life jackets.    

No one in this world can be everything to everything or know everything about everything.. even expert coders have their sites crash and burn and they can't figure out what has gone wrong at times.  Lighten up inexperienced webbies a bit. Ner Ner
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 05:41:55 PM »

Well, that's great... I'm all for Darwinism and those people weeding themselves out.

If someone is completely clueless, they're going to have trouble articulating requests for help. Remember that dude we both told off? He didn't even know how to ask a coherent question, and gave someone an attitude when he tried to ask for clarification.

Then once a solution could be offered, would they be even able to implement the advice?

I don't know if you've noticed but my intention is always to help, not to harm. I don't like to leave people helpless. However, if that's what they want, that's fine; there are plenty of other people to help, including myself. If I had anything against newbies, I wouldn't help them, but I do try to thelp them.

I'm no longer watching this thread so don't waste your time replying. Aggravation is bad for my health.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 06:55:37 PM »

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I'm no longer watching this thread so don't waste your time replying. Aggravation is bad for my health.



Great you're not watching the thread so I can say what I really wanted to say from the beginning...

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Why do you bother to get web hosting if you don't even want to learn to code? That's like getting a computer and not wanting to learn to read.


Was this insulting bit of your reply really necessary?  Did you think you were instilling great confidence in the person by stating these things?  What was the point of even stating it at all other than to be an arse and come off sounding like a know it all?

Example everyone.. Want to turn off people, reply by insulting their intelligence, being disparaging, etc..

Want to let someone know something important or relevant.. find a way to do it without being insulting.  

You had no reason what so ever to be insulting in your post.  If you couldn't say something nice or even informative, you didn't have to say it.  Or you could have pointed out what another person pointed out: the fact that Lunarpages if offering Fantasico, and each server will be upgraded in turn.

Have a great day!  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2004, 09:15:52 AM »

Oops, kinda late on this, but just saw this thread Very Happy

In my opinion, I think that knowing "coding" is not a "necessity" as long as you have the programs that will do the job for you, however I do feel that it is good practice to know at least some html coding if you can learn them, because there are times when it does come in handy.

I bought a basic WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) program when I first started back over 6 years ago, and now use DreamWeaver MX which basically you don't need to know any coding cuz it does everything for you.

However, back 6 years ago, I still bought a very easy to learn book on the html coding, because for my own knowledge I wanted to at least know what was going on "behind the scenes", so-to-speak.

Well, turns out I was glad that I learned and understood what the coding was about, because there were indeed times where I needed to go into the "source code" to tweak things that my program couldn't add in (back 6 years ago you had to enter javascripts by coding it into the html cuz the programs didn't incorporate it as a function/feature).

Anyway, my opinion is that everyone has to make their own decisions as to how much they can/need/want/have time to learn coding. Again, in my opinion, it is a very good thing to know because it does have its advantages especially when you need to make customized changes/additions that isn't easily done automatically via the script/program, but learning "coding" is not required or necessary, as long as you have the scripts/programs that do it all for you.

This is just a matter of preference on each person's part.

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2004, 02:07:54 PM »

I'm all for having things done with the push of a button as well. Computers have so many diffent programming and scripting languages that you can learn, that it would be impossible to know them all very well. And for someone like me who much prefers to concentrate on the visuall side of things that wondering about the code behind it, these install scripts are pretty decent hacks.

I agree it doesnt hurt to learn HTML, and it is a relativly simple language to learn, but theres nothing wrong with people who dont want to learn coding and just create things. maybe he doesnt have the time to sit and learn it... could be alot of reasons.

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2004, 02:17:46 PM »

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speaking of something goes wrong

I recently setup my .htaccess file in the cpanel file manager which is great.  I now understand more about this file and setting up forwards and whatnot.  Now, I have been working with hotlinking protection. . .and every time I save my .htaccess after looking at it through the hotlink protection I have to re-edit the file and put in my forwards again.

Any way to hotlink protect\unprotect without losing my forwarding code every time.

Also - I have read the paragraph in cpanel a hundred times and tried to figure it out online. . .HOW do you protect files from being linked externally, while still being able to reference them from your own site?

i.e. <img blah blah


What I normally do now, is NOT even go into the "Hotlink Protection" via cPanel, cuz of the very thing you are saying ... it changes the code.  I strictly access the file via "File Manager" and do any editing directly to the .htaccess file from there.  That way, the coding stays intact.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2004, 03:33:08 PM »

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Great you're not watching the thread so I can say what I really wanted to say from the beginning...

Since I saw that leighsww posted, I checked out this thread. Well, knowing you, GirlGamerJae you would attack me behind my back. I don't know how you could have the nerve to criticize my treatment of newbies when I have sincerely helped and encouraged so many more people in so many more ways than you have. I don't get paid to help. I do it because I want to help, and I don't need people like you pissing me off.
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