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« on: May 01, 2004, 08:53:38 PM »

Has anyone used both Dreamweaver MX and MX 2004? I currently use MX, and am wondering if it's worth it for me to upgrade to MX 2004.

Would the latest version let us see PHP results without having to upload the file to the server first?

Is DW MX2004's CSS feature significantly improved over MX?

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2004, 09:00:06 PM »

I have DW MX and I have tried the trial of DW 2004.  2004 has some nice uder interface changes, but to me, it wasn't worth the upgrade just for that.  Besides, I am used to MX anyway.  2004 is just a cash grab if you ask me.

PHP is a server side language.  It has to be run off a server so no...

Never played with the CSS.   Download the free trial and see for yourself.  Very Happy
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2004, 09:04:41 PM »

DW MX can render server-side includes, though...

What stops them from doing it for PHP?
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2004, 09:16:01 PM »

I dunno....ask MM  Very Happy

PHP-specific changes
As a PHP developer, if you're worried about Dreamweaver MX 2004 putting you out of business because people can create dynamic websites themselves, you can sleep well tonight. They really haven't improved much on the PHP front as far as the layperson goes. You can still enter a little bit of common PHP code with the push of a button, and get some code hints with Ctrl-Space, but it is far from being a substitute for the experienced PHP/MySQL developer.

PHP Reference
For those newbies out there who are taking pre-written scripts and attempting to modify them to fit their own needs, Macromedia has added a PHP reference section to their list, courtesy of the good folks at O'Reilly. If you recall, Dreamweaver MX had some built-in references, but PHP was unfortunately yet again the last little guy picked for kickball, and was omitted. With this feature, you can highlight a function in your code, right-click, and scroll down to "reference". You are then shown a brief description of what the function is meant to do. A list of functions is also provided for your reference should you want to look up another specific function that isn't in your code. Now, if we can only get the newbs to look up "register_globals".
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2004, 09:49:05 PM »

Hi tranzndance,

The CSS in MX 2004 is greatly improved. If you use CSS a lot, it is worth the price of upgrading.  It will tell you what code (CSS, HTML) works in what browsers and which ones will only work in certain browsers (in code view).

It does have some interface changes that I could have done without as well as no longer having command line ftp log for chmod (I haven't found command line there yet anyway).  I have both MX and MX 2004 for DW and I actually use both, just depends on my mood and what I am wanting to do. Best part MX 2004 has is that ftp is kept alive so your connection won't time out after like 5 minutes of inactivity. This is a plus  Thumbs Up

I hope this information is helpful.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2004, 05:08:47 AM »

I've only used CSS here and there as needed, but I want to use it systematically now. Because I don't have a strong grasp of it, I would like to learn as much about it as possible and use the DW version that will best help me along. CSS in DW MX actually confuses me. Then again, it's probably because I need to study it more.

Does anyone have suggestions on which CSS book to buy? I would like one that is written for someone who already knows HTML.

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2004, 07:30:36 AM »

Hi tranzndance,

Rather than buying a book, I would suggest visiting www.w3schools.com and using their CSS tutorial.  It is very easy to use and has a great CSS reference at the end. You may not need a book after the tutorial Wink

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2004, 10:13:19 AM »

DW MX 2004 also has a setting to use ONLY css for layout/font settings, etc.

As for showing php results, fire up your local web server, download php from www.php.net , install it, and you can view local php to your heart's content.

Running a server on your PC connected to the 'net can pose a security risk.  You may want to implement a firewall such as Zone Alarm which will selectively block ports and programs from seeing the internet, while allowing them access to your local network.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2004, 11:15:57 AM »

If I am using WinXP Pro, do I install IIS? I'm not sure if it works only with MS products, like Front Page or .asp. Will it play nice with DW and php?

I have a router. Is its firewall good enough? I use ZA, but sometimes I have to shut it down because it annoys me, ie, it crashes my internet connection.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2004, 11:34:10 AM »

IIS will work fine.

I have ZA not allowing any Internet servers, so that should plug up the security hole by maintaining port 80 in stealth (and any other ports servers want to listen on).

If you NEED other servers running, you can dissallow server to Internet for inetinfo.exe in the programs section of ZA.

You can also get mysql server for windows at http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2004, 04:50:25 PM »

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Hi tranzndance,

Rather than buying a book, I would suggest visiting www.w3schools.com and using their CSS tutorial.  It is very easy to use and has a great CSS reference at the end. You may not need a book after the tutorial Wink


Thanks for the awesome tip, Danielle.  Thumbs Up I've been able to redo several pages today from what I learned from w3schools.  Applause And I saved money not buying a book. Cool
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2004, 06:42:24 PM »

I installed IIS and PHP 4.3.6. I changed the setting so that the default site points to my current web files.

I am able to access certain files by going to http://localhost . However, the files that reference files in other directories have errors. For example I call up '/includes/header.php' in the web file, but because of Windows using backslash instead of forward slash for file paths, I get an error. When I change things and moved the header file in the same directory, it works fine.

Is there a workaround?
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2004, 07:16:54 PM »

I foudn the newer one to not be as intuative for a non-CSS person. It does every font change and color change with CSS within the document. Although i know that is a better way, i do not like it as much. I have gotton used to it but prefer the good old color tags!
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2004, 01:41:29 PM »

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I foudn the newer one to not be as intuative for a non-CSS person. It does every font change and color change with CSS within the document. Although i know that is a better way, i do not like it as much. I have gotton used to it but prefer the good old color tags!

Jwink3101,

Did you know that you could change the setting so that DW doesn't use CSS tags?
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2004, 01:46:51 PM »

I got frustrated with DW MX, so I tried out MX 2004. I really like it, and have ordered it. Smile

Now, I have a question to ask of those who are familiar with this latest version. In MX, when I right-clicked on files, the menu showed cut, copy, duplicate. In MX 2004, those functions are in a submenu. Sad It's an extra step for things I use frequently. Anyone know of a setting I can change to revert to the way MX did that?
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