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« on: September 11, 2008, 09:32:12 AM » |
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Hi everyone! I have a basic site I built myself with DW. I want to sell digital down-loadable content.( http://todddaniele.com/Models-01.htm) My web skills are pretty limited, so the shopping cart thing has me a bit spooked. I would totally appreciate a breakdown of all of the things I would need in place to make this functional.(a checklist if you will) I see many threads with lists of shopping cart options, I haven't a clue which would be best, any advice? I would like to offer several methods of payment(Paypal/major credit cards) and not defer users to an outside site. Does something like 2checkout work behind the scenes, or defer to an outside site? Is this a good option, or is there some other method I should consider? Would processing/access be quick? I would like buyers to have a quick turnaround time. Any other basic information that can be offered would be appreciated! Thanks! Todd
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MrPhil
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 11:51:29 AM » |
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osCommerce offers an option for digital downloads -- I wouldn't be surprised if other eStores did also. The least work on your part (and greatest cost) would be a digital download services such as Lulu.com and Payloadz.com, but those are outside sites that you would point to your entries on. I suppose you could roll your own, if you're proficient in PHP coding. You basically have to move a copy of the product into a unique and unguessable directory/name, give the purchaser some sort of key to unlock it, monitor the number of downloads attempted, and remove everything once the download has been done or an agreed-upon amount of time has passed.
POVray is also a popular format. You might want to consider offering that, too.
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toddd
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 08:13:54 PM » |
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Thanks for the response MrPhil! Unfortunately I am not proficient in PHP, but I do feel this is the route I would prefer to go. Do you know of a service or individual that could implement this into my site, and is reputable? I am a bit concerned about using an outside source due to the nature of the information(account info etc). Lastly, if someone were to set this up for me, would the process of implementing new products be something I could do myself(user friendly) or would it require the same PHP knowledge to update the site? Thanks for the input and assistance!  Todd POVray isn't something I have come across professionally. Vray, and mental ray are both crossplatform and will hopefully suit the needs of any production houses looking to purchase content. 
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MrPhil
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 01:27:57 PM » |
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Well, if you want someone to write the code for you to show categories of product, search for products, display the details on a product, and actually sell and deliver the product for you; what you have done is re-created the shopping cart. It can be done, and many (including me) will be happy to take money from you to do it.
That said, if I wanted to get up and running selling digital downloads myself, I would first look at an integrated shopping cart such as osCommerce (cPanel > Fantastico Scripts > Shopping Carts). You install it into a directory under your main site (e.g., public_html/store/), tweak colors and such (in CSS) to approximate the rest of your site's look and feel, enable proper tax collection, enable digital downloads, and install the payment method(s) (e.g., PayPal) you want to use. Your Home Page could include a sampling of offerings, but would be maintained separately from the store. It would have a link to the main store, and each picture in your sample gallery could be a link to that product's page. The store keeps everything in a database, so you have an interface for adding, dropping, and changing products. It also has a shopping cart, so visitors can buy more than one thing at a time. It will display (and search for) products in many ways, and in addition other pages can link to your product pages.
Pros: long term operating cost is the cheapest, since you're not paying royalties to a third party all information is kept on your site shopping cart is being actively maintained by many other programmers you should be able to set up this system yourself Cons: a store may not exactly match your site's look and feel, but with some tweaking you should come close setup is a bit more work than option 2, but less than 3 I honestly don't know how good the digital download security and reliability is in any particular shopping cart
My second choice would be to let a service such as Payloadz or Lulu handle the dirty work of selling, distributing, and collecting payment for you. Is there something specific you're concerned about that they would steal? They would have a copy of your products and would obviously know who you've sold to. Presumably they would sign a contract with you stating that such information remains confidential and neither your products nor your customer list will ever be transferred to someone else. Anyway, they run a "storefront" for you where people can shop, and you can link directly to your products from the product pages or images on your site (to refer visitors to them for purchase). At least, that how I understand it to work. Read up on them carefully to be sure you know what you're getting. A possible drawback is that a service may -- or may not -- be able to let a visitor purchase more than one product at a time, if they are coming in via a link from your site. Of course, then you're responsible for manually updating your list of products as you add, drop, or change them, unless you want someone to build a database of products for you (and the PHP code to use it).
Pros: least amount for work for setting up/modifying your site minimal coding to be done on your end payment is handled by third party their storefront may generate additional sales they should handle most delivery problems Cons: a third party knows your customer base need to pay a royalty on each item sold plus some fixed fees check if can sell multiple items in one visit? need to manually keep your display pages and your products in sync
My last choice would be to write what is essentially a new shopping cart for your products. It would have to put everything into a database (and have a Web interface for updates), and have means of displaying products by category, newness, etc., as well as searching for them. Be aware that a cart would have to be in a scripting language (PHP or Perl), so I don't think DreamWeaver is going to handle it very well (i.e., you edit it by hand). As with option 1, you would probably install this cart in its own directory. When a visitor buys a product, you need to collect payment (something like PayPal's "buy it now" code would be the simplest to drop in to your display pages). Product delivery involves code to move a copy of the product to a private directory and name (possibly password protected directory and/or encrypted product), keep download attempts under some limit, deal with claims of download failure (also with #1), and after some time period vaporize the downloadable copy (so the product doesn't get downloaded by others).
Pros: you end up with a shopping cart section that can look and feel exactly like the rest of your site low operating cost, as no royalties to third party Cons: highest up-front cost, as you need a programmer to create the shopping cart for you you or your programmer are responsible for maintaining the cart and plugging the inevitable security holes
There are probably other ways to skin this cat, but those are the three I can think of right now. Please feel free to email me if you want to discuss specific scope and cost of any of these options. I'm sure there are other digital download services, as there are other shopping carts. If you really want to spend the money to write your store (shopping cart) from scratch, I'll be happy to discuss it with you, but frankly I wouldn't go that way.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 07:28:01 PM » |
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Thanks again MrPhil!  I am thinking of giving option 1 a try, it sounds like it may best suit my needs. Would it be ok if I post any questions I may have as I progress in this thread? Is the tax collection going to be a setting I am presented with in the cart set-up? Is it a straight forward process? I appreciate you taking the time to respond, you have been most helpful! Todd
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 07:29:49 AM » |
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No problem with your asking questions. I'll try to answer them (or someone else may be able to).
Tax collection is always a bit of a pain. If your state allows you to charge one tax rate at your address, it's not too bad. E.g., if you were selling out of your place of business and the sales tax rate is 7.5%, you just set the tax rate to .075 and the location (zone) to be your state. You probably won't have shipping and handling fees, but if you do, they're taxable in some states. The big problem is if you're in a state like New York or Washington, with a "destination based" tax. You have to figure out the tax rate for your (in-state) customer and charge that. I know osCommerce doesn't handle that very cleanly (it has some add-ons that may do the job); perhaps some other shopping cart does a better job.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 10:34:38 AM » |
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Of course I am in 1 of the states you mentioned  ...NY. I am going to see what info I can find pertaining to osCommerce/destination based tax. Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 01:14:30 PM » |
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I'd definitely go with OSC. User friendly, Admin friendly. Tons of free mod/contribs with almost unlimited support. Open Source. Free ;]
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 04:42:30 AM » |
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Thanks dsplcmnt01! I am planning to use OSC after reading MrPhil's advice.
I had a little time this morning and went to install OSC from cpanel/fantastico and received the following message:
Fantastico is not installed at the default location /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/fantastico. Either move the Fantastico directory from it's current location to /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/fantastico OR enable ioncube loaders in WHM -> Tweak settings.
I haven't moved anything, why the message, how do I fix?
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Todd
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MrPhil
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2008, 10:24:06 AM » |
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It sounds like something is wrong with cPanel and Fantastico. I'd open a support ticket to report it. It doesn't look like anything that you could take care of yourself.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 09:44:39 AM » |
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Update: Yep, filled out a ticket when I posted here yesterday. Now I can access fantastico from the cpanel, but I cannot connect to my site using an ftp client with stored password(tried doing everything manually here as well, and LP are able to connect using account info I provided). Also cannot view my site from my workstation, or retrieve mail using outlook........  LP staff are working on it, feel like I have opened a can of worms  Thanks! Todd
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2008, 02:28:04 PM » |
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fixed! Now I can get down to business 
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 10:05:36 AM » |
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Ok, so I have a question  I have started editing the php for the index, and things are going ok so far. I would like for the thumbnail to not only allow the customer to buy the product, but also to view several higher resolution images showing the product detail. Can this be done? Thanks for your patience! Todd
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 12:00:24 PM » |
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Thanks for the help MrPhil...again!  Finally have a little time to work on this again.... I am planning to implement Paypal-Website Payments Standard for starters. I have a Lunarpages Basic plan, do I need to add-on anything? Anything I should know about set-up, is it straight forward? Appreciate all of the assistance! Thanks! Todd
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