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durangod
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« on: June 30, 2010, 09:47:22 AM »

i have been reading about mail limits here
http://wiki.lunarpages.com/E-mail_Sending_Limits

and im alittle confused here..  so just wanted to get the facts here..

wanted to make sure that what i read still applies, i know im inside the 200-300 per hour but not the 20 per min

i use phplist for newletters on an unrelated site, but the emails im talking about come right from my other site that as a mass email function and i dont want to have to integrate another php script into my site.  i should be able to batch them using my email account or some function there of..  i dont want to have transfer all my email address from my site to another php db and script.. has to be a better way..   i dont mind sending the batch to a batch script to process but i dont want to have to maintain another db to do this.

i have a site that has 100 members, once a month or once every other month i send out a mass email..

questions are:

should i be concerned about sending limits at this point ?
if not, then at what point do  need to be concerned?
should i look into batching them into smaller batches?
if i need to batch is there a easy way to set that up?

thanks
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 03:41:01 PM »

If you are exceeding 20 per minute, you risk being shut down. If you exceed 400 per hour (300 is suggested, for safety; 400 is the "drop dead" limit), you'll be shut down. Both limits apply. If you dump 100 emails into the "out bin" at once, you're going to be in trouble if it takes less than 5 minutes to process. You'll need to figure out a way to batch your mailings into smaller groups. Is there any way (perhaps by directly using phpMyAdmin) to export your user address list (as a CSV) to PHPlist?
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 06:33:53 PM »

that would def work but that means i have to install another copy of phplist as i dont want to get the emails mixed up, even thought phplist can do dif lists i just dont want them together...

im looking at several bulk mail dynamic load software utilities at the moment, im not sold on one yet but from what i gather you just submit your outgoing mass mail to it, it processes it correctly then you can zap the batch, this serves two purposes

1. you complete the mass process on your site so that it continues to run as normal, no changes other than just pointing the send to a dif place....  so the db is updated as normal..

2. you fall within the guidlines of  lp..

3. if you need to resend the batch it will let  you or a partial patch...

ps the reason im trying to stay away from another db, is that it has come to the point that im spending too much time in maintenance and duties that dont make me money.

so im thinking a bulk email script is what i need...  now i just have to find one that im happy with .... and thats designed for small businesses.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 07:02:45 AM »

All LP needs to do is to stop penalizing for large quantities of emails, and start doing something to help us all keep within reasonable limits. If they could come up with a per-account email queuing service, that would be fantastic. You would email batches of mail, using normal PHP, web, and SMTP mailing services, without worrying about how many per minute or hour, and instead of being immediately sent out, they would be held and doled out at 5 per minute or whatever. You could request a temporary higher rate, if you know that you have only a small number of emails (not enough to hit the 300/hr limit). A nice touch would be to assign priorities to mail, but that would involve changing the mailing interface (maybe a new header field?).

Doing this would eliminate the need for PHPlist's and SMF 2's email rate throttling, combine all the separate mailers you have to worry about (combined rate exceeding caps), and getting whacked for accidentally dumping too many emails into the "out box" at once. Storage for your personal outbound queue would count towards your disk space allocation. Obviously, there would have to be some "reasonable" limits as to how much outbound mail you could queue up (it would be unfair for someone to queue up a million emails at once) -- perhaps you could purchase additional space if you need it.

I'll submit this on the Feedback board too.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 08:11:10 AM »

i totally agree phil, they could do this so easily and give us one less thing to worry about and just let us focus on our business rather than watching limits for basic needs.  They could also benefit because its a service im not aware that the others offer and it would be a nice customer feature.   I dont mind paying alittle extra to not have to worry about it.  Its not like i do it all the time, but once in a while i need to send out a mass to the members for site update info and such and i dont want to be penilized for something so simple.  Even if they could just set up a seperate que that  we could submit our mass emails to that would allow us 200 a month as a base on mass mail submissions that would be fine, i think that would cover many of us.  If we need more then we could pay for more.   Even better just take the 20 per min requirement out, thats all thats hurting me now.  If not for that i would be fine.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 10:25:35 AM »

Well, the primary reason that they have limits so low in the first place is that they don't want their servers branded as sources of spam. Many email services are watching how many emails they get in a short time from a given IP address (and everyone on a shared server shares the same email IP address). Go past some limit and the other services declare your entire server to be a spammer. It's unfortunate, but that's what's happened with the Internet.

If I Ran The CircusTM, I would impose postage on all emails so that it would be too expensive to spam, yet affordable for those who legitimately need to email. It would also induce PC owners to scan for spyware, etc. that has turned their PCs into email-spewing zombies. Nothing like getting a $3000 postage bill for the month from your ISP, is there, to focus your mind on cleaning up your PC or website? Before anyone complains about how unfair that would be to Grandma, everyone would have a monthly email cap set (revisable upon agreement with your ISP or web host) so that you wouldn't get a nasty surprise if your server or PC were hacked. Residential users might get a credit: first 30 emails a month are free.

LP has the internal capacity to allow much higher email rates. Just a few years ago, you could send 1000 per hour. I'm sure they could handle more than 20 per minute per account, but I don't know about several hundred. It's what happens outside of LP that they're worried about. Maybe the email services could be induced to show a little leniency by telling them how many users a host has on a server, and tripping the alarm on emails per user * number of users, rather than a flat number per server. Finally, if LP queued up outgoing mail, they could take measures to distribute it evenly ("one to gmail, one to hotmail, one to yahoo, one to...") rather than dumping a whole bunch on one service at once.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 08:01:47 AM »

well phil i just checked out the new mailing list option on the new lp cp version, and so far i like it.. it has a digest setting for batches.   ill have to get that set up but so far at first peek it seems they were listing to us... i hope so..
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