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glee4
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« on: December 29, 2003, 07:50:37 PM »

This might a little off-topic, but I'll soon be away from my home computer and without laptop, leaving me at the mercy of internet cafes.  Does anyone have any tips for foiling keyloggers that might be installed at these places?  

I was thinking that I could keep a regular text file online  w/ A-Z and 0-9 on it (not the actual pwds of course), and drag and drop characters into the cpanel/webmail login windows.

I know the keystroke sniffer programs can track cut and paste activites, but would they be able to handle drag and drop (which does not get copied to the clipboard)?

Feel free to move to the appropriate forum if this is not the right place.

Thanks,

-glee
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2003, 11:38:45 PM »

The way keyloggers work is that they just record every key that is ever pressed Smile

Doesn't matter where it is entered (if at all) ....I'll have to admit I used to use them in my "bad" days Smile

Simply clicking outside of a box every so often and typing gets recorded.

for example I'm goign to demo what I mean based on a typgin part of a password, and some junk outside the box and then the rest of the password:

Password field contains: mysecurepassword
Keylogger records: my really unsecure asdasdfspasjljsjkjweor jkld

See what I mean?

- Ed
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 12:29:09 AM »

Boy, that is scary to know that you really can't do anything to prevent them from figuring out what you are doing.

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Doesn't matter where it is entered (if at all) ....I'll have to admit I used to use them in my "bad" days


So, what did you used to do Kata? Criminal activities, hacking, espionage?  Just wondered...you brought it up.  Smile
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 07:47:53 AM »

Its a long story Smile Nothing illegal.. no worries. Something you will have to con out of me off the forum Smile ... at least not in the non Chat area!

Kata quickly hides his federal ID chip tatoo...
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2003, 11:22:04 AM »

interesting.  so it sounds like that technique would not totally foil the logger reader, but would at least make it more difficult for them to figure out the pwd.

thanks for the tip,

-g



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The way keyloggers work is that they just record every key that is ever pressed Smile

Doesn't matter where it is entered (if at all) ....I'll have to admit I used to use them in my "bad" days Smile

Simply clicking outside of a box every so often and typing gets recorded.

for example I'm goign to demo what I mean based on a typgin part of a password, and some junk outside the box and then the rest of the password:

Password field contains: mysecurepassword
Keylogger records: my really unsecure asdasdfspasjljsjkjweor jkld

See what I mean?

- Ed
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2003, 11:27:46 AM »

You could do it better than Ed's method. Say your password is "password" (you evil fiend!):

p(le)as(e )s(top u)s(ing keyloggers )w(ith public c)o(mputers )or( )d(ie!)
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2003, 11:57:13 AM »

Quote from: Kata
Simply clicking outside of a box every so often and typing gets recorded.

for example I'm goign to demo what I mean based on a typgin part of a password, and some junk outside the box and then the rest of the password:

Password field contains: mysecurepassword
Keylogger records: my really unsecure asdasdfspasjljsjkjweor jkld


Wow, this is really interesting stuff!  I never knew about "keyloggers" until glee4 brought it up.  Good info to know.

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You could do it better than Ed's method. Say your password is "password" (you evil fiend!):

p(le)as(e )s(top u)s(ing keyloggers )w(ith public c)o(mputers )or( )d(ie!)


mussavcom - you are such a joy to read!

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I'll have to admit I used to use them in my "bad" days Smile


Aha!  We have found the culprit who is messing with our email! Hmmm, Ed, we're going to have to keep a watchful eye on you, my dear.  Grr..!!

P.S. Watch out for large spiders the next time you go rock climbing!
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2003, 12:16:03 PM »

Funny you mention it.. thats the new years plans - caving/rock climbing in my backyard! Smile

I'll take note of large spiders...
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2004, 01:46:34 PM »

I'm not aware of any real solutions for non-shell type accounts (like here at LP). If you have a shell account, you can generally setup a one-time password scheme using s/key which, despite requiring you to carry around a piece of paper with your passwords, is very secure, particularly used in conjunction with ssh. Of course, that won't do you any good when trying to log into a webmail account, which is why I maintain my primary address on an account with shell access.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2004, 01:49:15 PM »

It's best to just not use public computers for things that are sensitive, `nuff said Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2004, 01:51:42 PM »

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This might a little off-topic, but I'll soon be away from my home computer and without laptop, leaving me at the mercy of internet cafes.  Does anyone have any tips for foiling keyloggers that might be installed at these places?  

I was thinking that I could keep a regular text file online  w/ A-Z and 0-9 on it (not the actual pwds of course), and drag and drop characters into the cpanel/webmail login windows.

I know the keystroke sniffer programs can track cut and paste activites, but would they be able to handle drag and drop (which does not get copied to the clipboard)?

Feel free to move to the appropriate forum if this is not the right place.

Thanks,

-glee


The main problem with keeping an external file online with pw's, is:

1) You have to input a password to view it(if not, everyone can see)
2) You have to input an addres TO the file(which is even worse if everyone can see)

A few people i know have been using USB Key's w/Encryption to authenticate on their work network machines, maybe something can be done there, but i doubt public computers have many ports availble for you to jam stuff in, like sammiches!
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2004, 05:17:01 PM »

Regularily chanign your password does wonders for you as well! Smile

Also having multiple passwords for different things is vital as well.

- Ed
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