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« on: April 05, 2008, 11:42:40 AM »

My forum has grown to over 1400 members, and I have some other site development projects I'm considering that may increase emails to site members on a greater scale.

What is my best option for having my site able to process bulk emails (either through site newsletters or notifications to site members that they've received new buddy requests, profile comments, replies to topics they're subscribed too, etc)

The 800/hr isn't going to cut it for future site development plans.   Sad
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2008, 03:06:58 PM »

If you're on a shared server, you're out of luck if you need to exceed 5-600 emails per hour (not 800). Can you "throttle" your email sending so that you don't exceed the cap (500/hr + 20/min)? PHPlist is a mailing list that can do that, to handle newsletters and such common content, but for other emails, I don't know.

Maybe someone could come up with a background script (cron job?) that accepts a stream of emails/newsletters and all the addresses to send to (ranging from "everyone" to individual users), and doles out the emails at a steady rate of 500/hr (say, 8 every minute) until the input queue is empty (individual emails could take priority over newsletters, by having multiple queues of different priority). Of course, if your average load over the course of the day exceeds 500/hr, you can't do it on a shared server and will have to look at VPS or dedicated. Another tack might be to buy 1 or 2 additional accounts and use them to offload some of the mailing load from your primary account, but at some point a VPS or dedicated would be cheaper and easier. Another problem is that you need a way for your forum, etc. to export the email address list for each request -- that would probably require some code modification (instead of sending an email directly, write a file and a list of recipients). It can be done -- it's not quite rocket science. Anyone care to try?
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »

Thanks for chiming in Phil.

The reason I inquire is that I have a social networking project that I believe is going to be far more active & popular than my current site.

And I see the 500/hr or 800/hr or whatever likely being exceeded on a regular basis once people are getting notifications for forum posts, profile comments, buddy requests, private messages, etc.

So aside from a shared account @ $6.95/month, what options does Lunarpages offer that will provide significantly greater emails per minute and hour?

Or, is there an email service I can pay (since Lunarpages provides plenty of bandwidth and storage space for my needs right now) that can be used to process all the emails from our forum and member profiles that come off the domain (which would be @ LunarPages)

i.e. the notification emails that members receive automatically, plus any newsletters or mass PM's we send, would still show our domain address for the Lunarpages site, but would be processed by a bulk email provider or something?

Not sure if that's a viable option, how much it would cost, who to recommend, etc.?
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2008, 04:06:58 PM »

You're planning the next MySpace, huh?

Well, if your average load is likely to exceed 500/hr, and/or you can't afford the delay in sending emails (in order to smooth out load to within 500/hr), I don't think a shared server account is going to cut it. I can't quote any exact figures, but I understand that VPS and dedicated servers have substantially more capacity (at a much higher price, unfortunately). You'll have to email support or sales to see which you would need. You might also ask if it's possible to purchase multiple accounts (on different shared servers) to spread the load around. Other than that, you should definitely look into an external service (I presume there are some) that could handle your newsletter and other bulk mailings. LP is (or was) using such an external service for their newsletter, so maybe Mitch could suggest a name. As for non-bulk mailings, once the newsletters and such are removed, can you stay under 500/hr?
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2008, 04:18:10 PM »

The bulk newsletter mailings would likely be a once every 1-4 weeks thing.

But as a social network grows and is active, members are getting emails for all of the following:

-buddy request
-profile comments
-picture comments
-private message
-forum topic replies

etc.



If the site grows as I plan, I see 500/hr or even 800/hr not cutting it.  But I also don't see the startup of the site having too many problems with emails.  I just don't know exactly when the load will become an issue.  I'd hate to have my site start gaining popularity and then get shutdown because we exceeded the lunarpages limits.  That would turn off new and existing users of the site, plus potential advertisers.

And since the site will be brand new with no prior history of traffic, we won't be making tons of $$$ initially off of ad sales.  Which means I want to avoid paying an arm&leg right away for a dedicated server if it's something we can scale into.

But I don't want to plan to scale from shared hosting to dedicated, only to find out that lunarpages has the same email count restrictions.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 10:40:09 PM »

Might try this question in the presales forum http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_web_hosting_plans_presales_questions-b48.0/
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 05:22:40 AM »


I actually wound up submitting a trouble ticket yesterday and got a reply.  I was told that a dedicated server has no restrictions placed on the number of emails you can send.  But if you plan to send over 3,000/hr you should have at least 1GB on the server.

Thanks for everyone who tried to help!   Very Happy
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