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Author Topic: WARNING - SPAM SUSPENSION - WARNING  (Read 728 times)
CyJobes
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« on: March 28, 2008, 10:19:51 PM »

The title of this thread is the exact title of an email I received from LP this evening.

I have a website that is primarily used for storing my own personal data, and so I can test sites I create. I do have some add-on sites, one that is dead and does nothing, another a friend has his site on.

I checked with my friend and he has not sent anything, nor does he have a large list. If he does send anything it is maybe to about 20-30 people, and only one or two have an AOL account. They live local, so we talked with them and confirmed that they did not list anything as spam.

I don’t even use email through my site, except for my mother. She knows nothing about computers, so I’m certain she’s not making money on the side by sending out emails for Viagra or something.

What bothers me the most is that after reading other posts in the forums I have found that this is a situation where you are guilty until proven innocent. What’s more, you get warned without a shred of proof that you did anything. They state in the email that “Lunarpages does not have the authority to override a determination of spam.” No, what they do is threaten to pull the plug if it doesn’t stop. Never mind the fact that you have no idea in hell what they are even talking about, you damned.

What’s even weirder is that you have to go on this wild goose chase to provide some sort of proof that you didn’t and don’t send spam. Then after some time writing emails to support, calling support and worrying about whether your site is going to be online every time you go to it, you get off the hook because of your word that you are not doing it. I mean really, if that is all I need to do then why not just ask me kindly if I am doing it instead of threatening me? Why should I have to defend myself against nothing I did?

I have been with LP for over 5 years and have had only a handful of problems. However, getting an email using verbiage like “we have a zero tolerance” as a threat about something I have no control over is enough to make me consider the idea of looking for another provider.

An accusation such as this, with no substantial proof to back it up, tells me that I am no longer valued as a customer. Warning me in this manner is not respect or gratitude. You might as well said “Although you have been a customer for over five years, and have a spotless record of no infraction of this type or anything remotely closed to it, we’re going to have to take your site down because someone pointed to you as the culprit and we believe them more. But thanks for the big chunk of changed you plopped down for our superb service.”

The jury is still out. I haven’t received any response from suspended@, and from what I have read it will be up to me to write email over and over and to call support and listen to Blondie sing “Heart of Glass” repeatedly. Meanwhile I think I’m going to have to start surfing for a new host. I have enough going on in my life that I don’t need to worry about a hosting company that has decided that tyranny rules.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 07:40:47 AM »

Once resolved, it would be great if you would post to as why the suspension...

Server malfunction, spambot attack or granting access for others (webpages/sites which is a no-no I think) possibly giving way for a unknowing inside job.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 02:55:16 PM »

You might use the control panel File manager or another FTP client to take a look at the files on the server. I've had instances of PHP scripts being broken into by outsiders and used to send spam.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 04:18:29 PM »

My domain was being used, very recently, by spammers to send email all over the world.  I set up a SPF entry and all is resolved.

www.openspf.org is the website that discusses this issue/problem/approach to resolve.

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 05:35:28 PM »

I do have some add-on sites, one that is dead and does nothing, another a friend has his site on.

Better not be so public about that! It violates the LP Acceptable Use Policy to give away, sell, lease, or otherwise transfer capacity or resources to someone else.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 11:42:41 AM »

OK, here is what I know so far.

I sent an email to ask for the header information of the emails that are said to be evidence that my site was producing spam.

I then spoke with my friend that I have in charge of my addon site and asked if he had sent anything or know of anything about this. He stated that he had received two emails at the feedback@ account. These emails were spam and he reported them.

Today I finally received the headers of the email that was considered spam. There were two, and each of them clearly stated that the address receiving the email was our own. We clearly did not send the spam, we received it.

Because an individual at LP was too inept to read and comprehend the inner workings of the headers, I receive threats of my site being suspended. Now I am not fluent in reading the headers, but I do know the difference when seeing TO and FROM, and know that if TO was to feedback@ on my addon domain, and that FROM was from akrueger@greeting-cards.com. Both emails were sent TO my domain, not FROM it.

It was my domain that REPORTED the email as spam.

We also learn something else form this: The email warning you of your site possibly being suspended can come to you on the bases of two emails. That’s right, only two. While the email makes it sound like you are spamming the world with garbage, it could possibly be that LP got two reports on your domain, and by god that is proof enough that you are a big-time spam producer, flooding the emails of the internet from your domain.

I have asked for an apology from LP, but because I accused them of incompetence I’m not certain I’ll receive it. That would mean that they would have to know what the word ‘incompetence’ means. Hey LP, here’s a start - http://www.merriam-webster.com/.

You’re darn right I sound bitter. I don’t take kindly to receiving threats because of something I did not do. As a customer I expect a lot more respect that I was shown. Sure, people make mistakes, but mistakes that produce the type of email that threat to take your site down, when it is not substantiated fully, can leave a bitter taste in your mouth. Careful consideration should be given before accusing and threatening your customers.

As a long time loyal customer, who also has sent many people to LP to host their sites, I would expect better. And as you read the forums about emails such as these, you see that there is a pattern that almost always found the accused to be innocent, and the accusation of sending spam based on misread information.

Yeah, I am bitter. I spent my entire weekend wondering what was going on and if my site was going to be taken down over something I was unable to control.

SPAM is basically an email about nothing. That is also what the warning email was about, nothing. So who is sending the spam now, LP?
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 07:33:43 PM »

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I would also like to add this little tid bit of information. This should help others who get the big WARNING email.

There are sites that can help you read, and actually trace your email headers to their origin. This is something LP folks could do before making unfounded accusations to their customers.

One of these sites is http://emailtrackerpro.visualware.com/. I put my headers into this and found that the email actually originated from France. Seems it is one of those big mass email places that sent the email to feedback@ my domain.

I forgot to mention this too, I don’t have an email on my addon domain, or any other, that is called feedback@.

So make sure you ask LP for the headers, and then trace them. You’ll know in no time if your site was hacked and sending email that you don’t know about, or if one of LP’s underlings just woke from a nap, had blurry eyes, and pressed the panic button on your site.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2008, 05:58:51 AM »

I don't get how LP could go nuts over 2 emails, my old domain which I have now gotten rid of, at one time had thousands and thousands of spam emails sent to it, maybe into tens of thousands over a couple months, someone obviously didn't like us but LP never said a word I just deleted them all.

Learnt my lesson to never allow users to have their own email and to never ever have an email obtainable through my site, always hidden through forum settings. Also default emails that people usually make, admin@domain.com, webmaster@domain.com etc, never gonna touch them.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2008, 08:25:09 PM »

I don't get how LP could go nuts over 2 emails, my old domain which I have now gotten rid of, at one time had thousands and thousands of spam emails sent to it, maybe into tens of thousands over a couple months, someone obviously didn't like us but LP never said a word I just deleted them all.

I think you are mis-understanding what is going on. This isn't about spam email being sent to you at an LP address, this is about what can happen when YOU get an email from a spammer and report it as spam. In this case I am quickly learning that this is possobly an attack by a spammer who is sending email to a non-existing account that bounces back and THEY report it as spam.

In short, if someone reports your site for sending spam LP threatens you. They even admit that they don't decide what is or isn't spam. They just react to a report that has your domain on it. It doesn't matter that you didn't send it. They just threaten to shut you down based on unfounded accusations and misread header of an email.

The proof IS in the headers. Here is what the report looked like from the program I mentioned above. This is the actual report I got when I read the headers.

So unless my LP server just happens to be in France.... I rest my case.

And why would I send SPAM to greeting-cards.com? In fact, go on the web and look up greeting-cards.com. There is no such place that I can find.
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