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John Q
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« on: October 25, 2007, 11:23:21 PM »

I want to try to get away from needing the FP extensions before I attempt to add a few php scripts. I 'm trying to follow the directions laid out by this previous post - http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_frontpage/i_tricked_frontpage_and_now_its_theme_is_my_css_mwahahahaha-t41481.0.html
The first part was easy enough (copying files), but then it gets into tables. After playing with these in the beginning I quickly gave up on them. Now it seems I need them to hold the look of my site. Before I move on to changing the custom link bars (which I have set vertically down the left side) I have to set up what I assume should be two tables. I already have the top, bottom and left (link bar) borders saved, so in between the top and bottom I imagine there should be two tables. One to contain the new link bars and a second to hold the main content of the page. The problem I'm having is that the left table centers the link bars, so that as the main content expands and enlarges the overall size of the page, it drags the link bars down and to the center of that table.

After looking into this myself, I first found that one option would be to find and insert a spacer gif. This, I think, should allow me to fix and hold the size of of the left table while allowing the right (larger table holding all of the main content) to expand. But in looking into this further it seems that this method is outdated and no longer really used. I can't find another way around it though. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

By the way, I created the tables by first adding a layout table, expanding it to the width of the page then using split cells under the table menu.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 01:05:20 AM »

In exploring my options it looks like frames templates could easily solve this problem. The problem with is the compatability with certain browsers. It seems not all browsers can display frames? I'm not sure if I should go ahead with the frames or continue to learn how to correctly put the tables together.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 08:07:42 AM »

Frames are to be avoided for many reasons but some simple tables will do the job.

This graphic shows a simple main frame layout that works in many sites. http://steubenlakes.org/framelayout.gif.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 02:16:16 PM »

Thanks Rick. I looked at the example you gave. That's exactly what I'm looking for, but when I create a narrow table on the left for the navigation menu it won't let me put any content for the page to the right of it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 06:11:11 PM »

Actually my example is only one table. Insert a table that is three rows high by two columns wide. Then merge the two columns in the top (banner) row. Similarly, merge the two columns in the third (footer) row.

Depending on what you want in the content area, you may wish to insert another table inside the content area.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2007, 08:37:13 AM »

I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet, but will that solve the problem of keeping the table for the navigation buttons fixed?
Thanks again.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2007, 09:09:51 AM »

The purpose of a table is to establish areas (cells) so you can place content, menus, navbars, text, pictures, etc. and have it stay in the correct area. So yes, if you place buttons in a cell, they will stay in the cell.

Typically the buttons would be in a cell of the larger table. In my example there is just one table with several cells for the various page elements.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2007, 12:38:17 PM »

I'm still having the same problem no matter how I set up the table. I may not have explained the problem very well before so I'll try again. First, the reason for the table is to separate the header, footer and navbar cells so that I can insert the webbot include codes into the respective cells and eventually deactivate the shared border feature. I will eventually change the custom nav bars too and hopefully end my dependence on the frontpage extensions (which have given me more problems than they are worth).

I would just keep the header and footer cells and place the nav bars in the middle cell with the primary content, but the problem is that I don't want to have to remake the nav bars for each new page. I need the extra nav cell on the left to just add the include code for the left border file.
The problem has been that when I add content to the primary cell (the middle cell to the right of the navbar cell) and that cell expands down it also enlarges the navbar cell with it. The current navbars DO remain in the correct cell, but as that cell grows FP centers the navbars in that cell. I want the navbars to stay at the top of that left cell. Since I want the cells themselves to be invisible, I will make the cellpadding=0, so I don't actually care if the navbar cell expands - I just want the bars themselves to stay at the top.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2007, 12:42:53 PM »

Not more than one minute after sending that last post I realized what I was overlooking. After selecting the cell, right clicking and selecting cell properties, I set the vertical alignment to "top."
It seems once again I made a mountain out of a molehill and overlooked the simple fix.

Thanks again Rick for your input.
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