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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2003, 06:59:54 AM » |
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I bought my Photoshop on eBay for hella cheap (under $60) and it works fine. Original shrinkwrap packaging, manuals, the works. I'd say if you're short on money start with eBay - worst case scenario, you end up with junk, but you're only out a bit of money and can then go back to saving up for the Real Deal.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2003, 11:48:59 AM » |
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Yes, but who would want golive? 
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2003, 03:53:00 AM » |
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Well I'm not sure if I should say this but I will... I started out with an illegal version of photoshop found on the internet somewhere in a dark corner  (yeah put me in jail  ) Let me explain that a bit, I often start with illegal software.. just for testing purposes tho.. Why? I want to test and compare software to the max before buying it. After getting to know photoshop and being assured it's a program I wanted to use, I just bought it, as I usually do. And yes I can download a trial but no it often doesn't have all the functionality becuz I want to be able to save and edit in other programs after saving so that doesnt cut it for me But let me be clear on one thing Buy Software!! Cuz there's actually people of flesh and blood behind it that spend a lot of hours creating a piece of software we like to use. And adobe photoshop.. to me is a must have, so why not buy it..
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2003, 07:05:03 AM » |
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Luckily most of my software is Free these days. (because I dropped the yoke of Windows.  ) I have actually purchased some Linux software though. I had to have a copy of Quake 3 for Linux and MATLAB (which work kindly paid for.)
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2003, 08:21:13 AM » |
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Yes, but who would want golive? Kata, I have GoLive, but I don't actually use it. I also have the educationally-priced Macromedia Studio MX and Studio MX 2004 which cost $199 each, so, of course, I use Dreamweaver. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2003, 04:03:13 PM » |
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euh. It was me who said that! I dont like golive, let it be known!  . At least you're being honest with it webby. I'm glad you bought a copy of it though. On talking about illegal softwares i'm pretty sure companies let them around to establish a sort of standard amongst younger people that will grow up and buy the software later on. Or that's my take on why you find some many illegal versions of software around ( and no one really taking action on it. RIAA suing people for a song, but you wont really hear of adobe, discreet, macromedia....suing internet users of having their programs illegally!) Anyway, open source is always good, i always try to find an open source alternative before anything else...
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2003, 04:10:20 PM » |
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( and no one really taking action on it. RIAA suing people for a song, but you wont really hear of adobe, discreet, macromedia....suing internet users of having their programs illegally!) That's primarily because what the RIAA does is patently insane. But, for software there is the BSA. They frequently raid companies based on tips from disgruntled workers.
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2003, 05:20:25 PM » |
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The software houses are far more interested in companies, but never the less it has been know for individuals to be caught, though more often by their ISP.
Microsoft are still going on a rampage of finding companies with pirate software, suing them, and publicly naming them in the press! Good on them I say. It is surprising how many companies are based on illegal software, more startling how many computer retail stores have internal networks with pirate Op Systems.
Mind you, the RIAA may seem to take stupid steps, but at least they are doing something. I am more against the stupid remarks made by the press regarding the cost of the music industry. A local paper had a full page article on a 12 year old who the RIAA were going after for downloading music. The journalists arguement was that it only costs about 20p (about 34 cents) to make.
Some of these people seem to be oblivious to actual development costs. The same arguement surrounded computer games. A journalist remembering how you could buy computer games on tape for £4.99, (but seemingly not remembering that premium releases from Ocean started life at £24.99) arguing against paying £30 - £40 for a game on his console because the disk only cost 50p to make. Forgetting that game budgets now escallate into millions of dollars.
Doesn't matter what you look at, music, application software, games, films on VHS or DVD - the cost is always huge, a lot bigger than most people imagine, and it is about time that people started to reliase that dispite the general feeling that downloading a pirate MP3, film or software item is not a big problem, it really is no different from going into town and stealing someone's car!
Sorry about the long post folks, but just thought I'd get it all out in the open. Buy the software, because in the long run, the major reason for high software prices is to compensate for the amount of pirate versions.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2003, 05:31:26 PM » |
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Autarkis, I apologize profusely, I don't know why I put down Kata's name in place of yours for the quote.  I was at work, so typing quickly. Once again, please accept my sorry excuse for a post above. 
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2003, 06:35:58 PM » |
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Well yes, i know the BSA stops by our school from times to times to check every license  . Devellopment costs are still a fraction of the profits made by video game companies. You have to remember that even though it costs several millions to make a mainstream game (often by getting licenses to incorporate real life companies, famous actors....) it still gets in return more than what the average movie makes in theaters. And i never meant to be understood as favorizing anything illegal that happens on/off the net.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2003, 10:36:23 PM » |
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Golive? Dreamweaver? It's notepad.exe all the way, baby. Actually, I use Edit Plus now. It's essentially notepad with a built in web previewer.
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2003, 04:03:15 AM » |
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lol notepad.. great to read that.. thought I was the only one still using notepad modifying stuff. Somehow I hardly use anything like dreamweaver and so on. but I have to admit I sometimes move from notepad to wordpad becuz wordpad maintains the layout of coding. another nice tool is ultraedit since it has some nice and easy to use features without having to study it for a long time.
And about illegal stuff, just don't do it cuz you're simply stealing. Guess why they call it illegal uh. People often asked me to support them on their k@z@@ problems. They all know now I don't support it. Not only becuz it;s mostly about downloading illegal stuff but also becuz it's a major virus spreader. And coming back on my previous post, tested illegal software that doesn't do it for me, gets deleted. If its ok, I buy.
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2003, 08:03:09 AM » |
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Autarkis, don't think anyone took your post in that way. I just wanted to air my issue with the world's press and their rediculous views on cost.
Indeed entertainment software does bring in a large profit for the companies involved. But then on top of development costs, licensing and wages, they have promotion costs, building maintainence and tax costs, expansion... Undoubtably there is huge profit, but then that's how the industry expands.
Many friends of mine will spend the same amount of money in a fruit machine in less than ten minutes, at least a game lasts longer than that, and you can always part exchange it for another game, or sell it second hand.
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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2003, 08:22:45 AM » |
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Well, I don't support the record industry. Indie all the way.  Seriously, it's more fun to buy directly from bands that aren't on big labels because you pay less (at most $10 for a CD) and you get to meet some cool people.
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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2003, 11:54:01 AM » |
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Well totally right on that pheared. Besides, the bands i listen too will never make it big anywhere, and their cd's are impossible to find nearly anywhere in the US (well ..nearly) so yeah, Buy from the artists 
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