Web Hosting Forum | Lunarpages

Author Topic: Are you able to find work designing websites?  (Read 1767 times)

Offline rbrummett

  • Intergalactic Cowboy
  • *****
  • Posts: 57
    • And God said let there be comics
Are you able to find work designing websites?
« on: August 03, 2017, 03:24:27 AM »
I typically do back-end stuff, but have done a little bit of everything- logo design, image editing with photoshop, working with online stores, php/mysql, ajax, editing wordpress or joomla, simple updates you name it. Typically I post ads on Craigslist trying to get clients. Not much luck lately though. Usually just fake calls, or criminals will offer jobs (someone texted me they wanted me to print their office's checks for them on my home computer from an out-of-state number. yea right bud).

I just feel like there isn't much work available out there in this field. I don't get how some tech companies can be ranked to be worth in the billions, when sometimes it's hard to find  a quick job that will pay a couple hundred bucks. I was considering joining fiverr.com, but some programmers say they won't even charge less than $50/hr. I don't get where they find their clients I've been doing this forever I have the experience but most people don't see this as a necessity.

I should have studied as a mechanic, or something. Cars and automobiles are a necessary expense. Most people are willing to either make their own website/blog, or just cut out these expenses because they feel it's not necessary. Best place to look for jobs? I've tried monster, dice, linkedin, plus others I get a lot of emails about work but recruiters are terrible at returning calls and setting up interviews.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
http://www.divinecomics.com
http://es.divinecomics.com

Offline MrPhil

  • Senior Moderator
  • Berserker Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 6225
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 05:18:54 AM »
Yeah, I can sympathize with that. For a couple of decades now, website design has been touted as the get rich quick way for any high school dropout to make it in the Information Economy. Yeah, right. A course in Dreamweaver or an 8 week boot camp in Java does not a computer scientist or software engineer make. All it's done is flood the supply side with cheap labor, making it hard to find steady work in the field at a livable wage. I do some website work, but just as a sideline -- you just can't make a living at it.

I will probably end up leaving the software field entirely, as customers are willing to pay only cheap prices and accept crap in return. I'll just keep my toe in the water as a hobby, while my "real" job pays the bills.
Visit My Site

E-mail Me
  
-= From the ashes shall rise a sooty tern =-

Offline rbrummett

  • Intergalactic Cowboy
  • *****
  • Posts: 57
    • And God said let there be comics
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2017, 08:09:40 PM »
Some entrepreneurs have claimed that apps are the new "gold rush". It's an easy way for people with good ideas to create something with a low amount of start-up into something that could potentially be worth hundreds of thousands or millions. I know that guy who made floppy bird apparently earned quite a bit before taking down the app, even selling at only $1. I wish these tech articles, and magazines, would stop focusing on these miracles that 0.01% of people are able to do, and just talk about how to do better as the average person. Technically, someone that wins the lotto will be financially set, but hoping for that to happen and expecting that is completely ridiculous.

If the market pays $x for xyz career for 50-75% of people with the same background/experience I'd just like to find out how to potentially look better than most candidates.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
http://www.divinecomics.com
http://es.divinecomics.com

Offline MrPhil

  • Senior Moderator
  • Berserker Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 6225
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2017, 06:39:18 AM »
As P.T. Barnum allegedly said, "there's a sucker born every minute." Apps are indeed a gold rush -- in the sense that they are very, very ephemeral.  Apps are a fad just because they're so novel, not that they do anything terribly useful. My fervent hope is that everyone with their head shoved up stuck in an app on their phone wanders into the street in front of a large truck. It would greatly improve society, especially if their estate has to pay the driver for the trauma they experienced.

I think it's a mistake to concentrate on front end (website) design. There's a huge oversupply of talent (even though most of them aren't that good). Oversupply on the supply side compared to the demand side, and prices come down. Way down. Add to that the virtual nature of the product, and someone in India can always undercut your price. People who can show a record of delivery on the back end of computer applications are much rarer, and (sometimes) can still name their own price. Do website design (including CMS's) only as a sideline, not as your bread and butter. You'll never make a living on it. Build phone apps as a sideline, but realize that the market is very fickle. Concentrate on the back-end of websites and business systems, and you should be able to make a living.
Visit My Site

E-mail Me
  
-= From the ashes shall rise a sooty tern =-

Offline rbrummett

  • Intergalactic Cowboy
  • *****
  • Posts: 57
    • And God said let there be comics
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 07:41:59 AM »
I've done some back-end work before, but usually there's less offers out there in the listings. I actually prefer back-end work because it's more challenging, and it's what I studied. I had a front-end job for about 3 years and most of the day consisted of copying & pasting text, or making small changes to images. I just felt like there was better jobs out there I could be spending my day doing. Most of the day I would just browse the Internet since most of my e-mails were completed. I mean you spend all these hours passing tests, reading textbooks, doing HW and projects, and then you get a job a chimpanzee could do blind-folded.

Sure, there's jobs out there. Well internships. You add money into the equation it cuts out about 80% of the candidates. Companies don't mind having you around, but paying you? That's a whole different ball-game. You really got to have your sh*t together.
Interview question: Quick off the top of your head what's the difference between an enumerated type, and an overloaded operator?
Interview question 2: Write a bubble sort function from scratch in 5 minutes.
interviewee: but isn't that already included in the library?
Interviewer: you're fired! next candidate
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
http://www.divinecomics.com
http://es.divinecomics.com

Offline MrPhil

  • Senior Moderator
  • Berserker Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 6225
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 12:41:42 PM »
Oh yeah. Most website work can done by a blindfolded chimp, and back-end work tends to require some real skill and knowledge. My guess would be that you don't see many listings because this work is more mission-critical, and they prefer to hire from within someone with a proven track record. Anyway, you probably will need to cultivate contacts in a number of companies, showing your extensive resume and portfolio (that which can be shown to others). I wouldn't depend on job board listings. Something like LinkedIn, where you can look up college classmates and former co-workers who are working for targeted companies, might prove useful to you.

Good luck, and quit the game when you hit 40 (it's almost impossible for a software engineer to get hired past 40). Really.
Visit My Site

E-mail Me
  
-= From the ashes shall rise a sooty tern =-

Offline rbrummett

  • Intergalactic Cowboy
  • *****
  • Posts: 57
    • And God said let there be comics
Re: Are you able to find work designing websites?
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 09:42:31 PM »
Good luck, and quit the game when you hit 40 (it's almost impossible for a software engineer to get hired past 40). Really.

Yes, I've heard about this quite a bit. Actually 40 seems a bit high. The number I hear is 35. Sucks because a lot of the jobs out there hire people as contractors, or do it as a 1099, to save money from all the extra benefits. So you get some good-paying work for a few months out of the year, then the rest of the year you're searching for another job and going to interviews.

The retirement age is 65 and a lot of people are working past that to collect more social security. In South Korea a company (EverYoung) is hiring exclusively people over 65 to try and dispel the age discrimination stigma. Hopefully, these people kick ass so in 10-20 years you can mention this little experiment and how they were still able to compete and thrive in the market at their age.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
http://www.divinecomics.com
http://es.divinecomics.com

 

Share |