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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2004, 07:45:25 PM »

So, wait.. If I say "Hey, I'll give you my domain name for 20 bucks," it automatically becomes yours??
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2004, 11:07:42 PM »

if i said id give u it for 10. it wouldnt be yours anymore, that would be for sure.
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2004, 03:52:10 AM »

You don't happen to have anyting to back this up? It seems like BS to be.
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2004, 04:50:18 AM »

Somehow that doesn't seem right--are you saying we can't haggle over the Internet? Who exactly regulates this rule?
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« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2004, 05:05:19 AM »

S&P is kinda right - The only documentation I can find is based on this occuring in a dispute of a bad faith transaction.
Quote from: Ivan Hoffman's Description of the Situation

Here’s the situation:  a domain name registrant (“Registrant”) has one or more domain names.  Along comes a claimant (“Claimant”) contending that the Registrant is violating the Claimant’s rights of trademark in the domain.
Quote from: Ivan Hoffman's Situation Describing S&P Post

Here, in the more interesting of the situations, the Claimant makes an offer to purchase the domain for either the Registrant’s costs or for a sum in excess of the Registrant’s costs.  The Registrant then makes a counter offer to sell it for a sum in excess of either the costs or the offer.  This is the scenario that presents a careful approach to the legal issues and one that requires a knowledge of the current state of how these matters are handled within the legal system set up by both UDRP and ACPA.

        In order to justify the counter offer made by the Registrant, the Registrant would appear to have to demonstrate some legitimate basis for the counter offer.  It would appear that it is not enough to pick a number out of the air for that counter offer since merely having the Claimant be the first to make an offer and then having the Registrant make a high counter offer would not appear to be enough to defeat a claim of “bad faith.”  If it appears that any “use” was not bona fide but merely a ruse to try and create a higher demand, such ruse may be disregarded by the panel and that panel may find “bad faith.”

        In this regard, the UDRP section above dealing with the definition of “bad faith” comes together with the section in the UDRP that defines what “legitimate interests” the Registrant may have in the domain.  For a further explanation of this latter term, read “Legitimate Interests in Domain Name Disputes.”

So far as I see, this can not be done simply by (for instance) some one approaching me and saying, hey, I like your domain name, I'll give you $10 for it, and me saying no, I wouldn't sell it for less than $50 because they have no right to my domain.

However, I know of a couple of other companies going by the name Hush Computers, who may say I'll give you $10 for your domain name - then I'd have to be careful.  If I could prove that my business centered on that, and that a certain level of client knowledge and trust was based on my name, I could claim for a higher price.  But you have to validate everything in that price given - else you stand to lose your domain name.

For a full rundown, check out this page by: Ivan Hoffman.

This of course only applies in legal disputes, not general purpose sales.  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2004, 05:23:48 AM »

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He then got another email. “They responded to this email by offering to give me all of my out-of-pocket expenses in return for the domain name. This came out to be $10; the amount I paid for the domain. This made me feel insulted. I had spent a lot of time building up my site and I had only been offered $10 for my work. I responded by asking for $10,000, which I regret doing now, for my work and domain name.”

As he now knows, Mike had unwittingly slipped into the classic trap set by companies in order to get hold of domain names - the creation of a “bad faith” use of the domain. By offering to sell the domain for profit (even if sparked by the offer of payment by the other party), according to the bent logic of domain dispute arbitrators, it shows the owner had no legitimate interest in the domain and so it should be handed over.


for the full story : http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/34955.html
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« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2004, 12:09:07 PM »

These laws had to be put into place because earlier on, when the Internet was just emerging and not yet widely used/popular as it is now, there were people buying up/reserving domains of very well-known companies with the intent on having these companies buy it back from them for BIG money.  They could see where the Internet was going and they realized that at some-point-in-time these large, big name corporations were going to need to take possession of their domain names. A few people actually got away with it in the beginning, as some companies felt it was worth buying their domain name for tens-of-thousands of dollars.

You can see how this was getting out-of-hand?  A law had to be created to put a stop to these kinds of practices.
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« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2004, 05:36:08 PM »

camping domains was fun, wish i had access to a credit card and a computer at around the early 90's.
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« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2004, 05:59:18 PM »

sharpandpointless - you're so naughty!  But, you might have been a very rich naughty person if you did do that back then.  Smile
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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2004, 12:43:56 AM »

i was gonna buy terminator or terminator 3 a while back, but in the end i didn't lol  Ner Ner
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