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« on: May 02, 2008, 04:58:46 AM »

Hi,

I have no idea how to start setting up a website. Is there a list of things that I have to do somewhere?
I am a total newbie to this. I know I have to write the webpage somewhere using HTML. I found coffecup software HTML editor that I am thinking of buying. I cannot make head or tail of anything in the Fantastico section of the control panel. I read in the forum that I will need an FTP client and that Filezilla is free. I have no idea how the HTML editor from coffeecup works with Filezilla, and is there something I need to do in the control panel so that I can use the FTP client to upload to my site?

Any help to get me started would be great  Hug

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 05:32:58 AM »

Welcome to Lunarpages and the Lunarforums!  What type of web site would you like to build/setup?  You can find a lot of free downloads to use with your hosting plan here:

http://blog.lunarpages.com/free-downloads/

There are also a lot of flash video tutorials here to help walk you through getting things setup:

http://www.lunarpages.com/tutorials/

Give us a few questions, and we'll be more than happy to assist you.  Applause
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 04:48:42 PM »

Hi Mitch, Thanks.

I will be setting up a website for my business. I have Lunarpages Business Hosting.

I would like to have my first web page as an entry page which will have my business graphics on and that the customer clicks on this page to enter the site.

The next page in the site will be my welcome and introduction page. Down the left side will be a menu to navigate around the site. Across the top of all the pages in the site (apart from the entry page) will be more business graphics. In the middle section will be text and some photos.

On the pages after this from clicking on the menu items on the second page will be:

A page that has thumbnail photos of my products with a description of the product. The thumbnail can be clicked on to view a larger image with a more detailed description. Next to the thumbnail will be the price of the item and the option to add to the shopping cart.

A gallery page with photos of all sold items with descriptions.

A cart contents page.

I was thinking of using OsCommerce, PayPal, and also having a look at the Merchant account facilities as pe the lunarpages promotion.

I also need a blog.

Plus various other pages.

My problem is knowing what I need to do first. Once I know this I can do things in a set order and find the info I need then set it up.

I have managed to set up 2 email accounts for my site (it took me a whole day to get these working Roll)

Thanks for the links, I had a look through these yesterday and got totally overwhelmed not knowing what to choose, and whether I would know how to use the downloads. Doh

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 05:06:29 PM »

Coffeecup and other web-design systems usually include their own FTP client, so you don't need to fool with a separate FTP client. You just click on some kind of "publish to the Web" button and it does everything for you. Of course, you have to configure it (set it up) right in the first place! Or, you can choose to use your favorite FTP client and manually upload ("publish") your code. You need to understand something about how HTML and pages work if you want to do it this way.

I would write your own "splash" page or Home Page in Coffeecup or whatever (public_html/index.html), with links to take you to the store, the blog, and other places. Install the store in public_html/store/ and install the blog in public_html/blog/ (keep them nice and separate, so they don't try to stomp on each other's toes). I presume that the Business plan has cPanel and Fantastico scripts, from which you can install a store such as osCommerce and a number of blogs. Installation is one click and type in a few settings.

Just be aware that the store will have its own "style" and layout, as will the blog. You can edit their CSS style files to coordinate colors and fonts, but major changes to make everything look and feel the same, while possible, are a lot of work.

Don't sweat the order in which you do things. You can always upload dummy "stub" pages with "under construction" messages, while you build up the real stuff beneath that. Obviously, some things have to be done before others (e.g., install the store before configuring it, create a directory before uploading files to it, etc.). And if worst comes to worst, you can uninstall everything and wipe the slate clean and start over. Putting in a dummy public_html/index.html file (with no links to real pages) will also keep search engines out of your experimental code while you're fooling around with it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 07:23:54 PM »

Thanks Mr Phil  hug me

Yes my Business plan does have CPanel and Fantastico scripts. Plus unlimited MySQL databases.

My next question is how and where do I create a directory?

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 08:07:00 AM »

cPanel > File Manager. Click on a directory name to do operations on that directory, or click on its folder icon to go down one level into that directory. When you get to the directory you want to create a directory in, click on the "Create a new directory" link at the top of the page and enter the name. Your site root is /home/ACCOUNTNAME/public_html. Create your new directory there or at a lower level (public_html/new_dir/, public_html/new_1/new_2/, etc.).
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 04:37:17 PM »

Thanks MrPhil,

I am starting to get more sense out of this now  Bouncin for Joy

I am not sure whether or not to have a splash page now because I read that they take time to download and it puts people off as they have to wait and then the splash page doesn't do anything useful apart from click to enter site.

However can I clarify with you the exact details step by step on what I need to do:

If do want to have a splash page, then I need to click on the name public_html then click on create a folder, then in the box at the top enter the name splash, then click on create.

Then still in public_html directory, to create the home page (as opposed to the splash page) I click on create a folder, then enter the name home in the box at the top of the page.

Then for my blog and store pages I do exactly the same at the same level?

Please can you explain to me the situations when I would want to go down one level by clicking on the folder icon and what sort of names I would use instead of new_dir or new_1 etc?

I am trying to get my head around the structure of the directories so that it isn't going to be easier to manage my site later instead of a huge mess where I can't find things.

Thanks again for your help Smiling.

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2008, 04:41:38 PM »

 Roll lol at my typo, I wrote "so that it isn't easier to manage my site" instead of so that it is easier......just shows you how muddled my brain is with all of this.  Rofl
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2008, 06:09:21 AM »

just shows you how muddled my brain is with all of this.

Yes, I see.

First of all, if you install the store and blog from Fantastico, IIRC you let Fantastico create the top level directories for you. Just give the name store for the store and blog for the blog installation, and I think they'll create everything for you. Your store will end up in public_html/store/ (with an entry point of index.php), and your blog will end up in public_html/blog/ (with an entry point of index.php).

Why don't you just go into File Manager and "play" a bit, creating directories (folders), putting files in them, uploading files, deleting files and directories, etc.? When you're done learning, delete all the new stuff (one thing at a time) and you'll have a clean slate for installing the real stuff. There's no substitute for actually getting your hands dirty and working with this yourself. You'll have to figure it out sooner or later, and sooner is better than later. After all, the mama sparrow eventually shoves her fledglings out of the nest...

When I say "splash page", it doesn't have to be a multimedia extravaganza. That kind of thing is annoying to have to wait for to load. It can be just a simple HTML page with a nice image, your logo, a big button to take you to the store (address /store/index.php), a big button to take you to the blog (address /blog/index.php), some information about your company, and probably links to other pages (news, about us, contact us,...). Visitors can always go directly to the store with http://www.yoursite.com/store if they want to.

In cPanel's File Manager, at any given time you are in a directory (folder). When you first come in, you're in /home/ACCOUNTNAME/. If you click on the "create a new directory" command, you will create a new directory under the one you're currently in. For example, to create /home/ACCOUNTNAME/public_html/images/, you would first have to navigate into public_html/ by clicking on the folder icon next to publc_html name, and then create the directory. You can name a directory just about anything you want, so long as the characters are A-Z, a-z, 0-9, _, and . (period). Never use blanks or other punctuation (Linux barfs on them). Avoid command names such as test.

So just get in there and start playing around to see what happens. You're not going to blow up a server if you type in the wrong thing.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2008, 06:56:38 PM »

Geesh I'm so lost, this is about all I can do, post in here. Can't even keep track of my user name.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 08:34:21 AM »

You're right mr phil, ya just got give it a try and do it.

and before ya know it thephotoshopguy.net is up & running, more or less. just need to figure out how to get my about me/archive tabs working. got the other links working.

was handy to know abit about html to figure out why links werent workin. Nvu seems OK for an editor, pagemason might be easier, not sure. & there's tons of templates at www.oswd.org
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