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« on: April 03, 2005, 08:14:10 PM »

Okay, I'm hosting a contest for COLD HARD CASH!
(can't beat that eh)?

I need a mascot for my site. It needs to be good quality, ORIGINAL, and in color.
Not sure exactly what I'm looking for, but The mascot is a Fox. (No, not THAT kind of fox, the four legged kind)

A cool looking fox, maybe in jeans and tennis shoes...I'm not sure.
Be creative, and again I must stress ORIGINAL.
No copyrighted material, including a picture that you edited. I need this to be completely original please!

If anyone can submit one that meets my approval, I will pay $50.00
Payment will be made via your choice of PayPal, StormPay, or StudioPay.

Please submit entries to:
contest@zonefox.com
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2005, 10:50:24 PM »

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Okay, I'm hosting a contest for COLD HARD CASH!
(can't beat that eh)?

I need a mascot for my site. It needs to be good quality, ORIGINAL, and in color.
Not sure exactly what I'm looking for, but The mascot is a Fox. (No, not THAT kind of fox, the four legged kind)

A cool looking fox, maybe in jeans and tennis shoes...I'm not sure.
Be creative, and again I must stress ORIGINAL.
No copyrighted material, including a picture that you edited. I need this to be completely original please!

If anyone can submit one that meets my approval, I will pay $50.00
Payment will be made via your choice of PayPal, StormPay, or StudioPay.

Please submit entries to:
contest@zonefox.com


Oh my gosh!!! You want me to GIVE you an original design created to your specifications and I MIGHT just get $50 bucks out of it? Keep dreaming buster...
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2005, 06:24:17 AM »

Hizonefox, Pete waves

I see you have an 'old' forum on your site.
Several exploits have been discovered since that version first appeared
I would suggest you please check out this thread to update it ASAP  Thumbs Up
http://www.lunarforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16952
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2005, 10:46:43 AM »

ComputerLady -
Okay, so the competition isn't worthy of your precious time...Some people would LOVE to have an extra 50 bucks for something that comes so simple to them.

Pete -
I am aware. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm not even promoting the site yet, so the only visitors I have are a couple guys from work...I do need to update before I actually launch though.
Thanks again!
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2005, 11:59:39 AM »

the things that hack the forums tend to be 'bots' so they dont care whether you have members or not.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2005, 04:47:59 PM »

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ComputerLady -
Okay, so the competition isn't worthy of your precious time...Some people would LOVE to have an extra 50 bucks for something that comes so simple to them.


I'm just pointing out the facts of life here, zonefox. Don't shoot the messenger when 'real' graphic designers will pass on your offer. This does not sound like a contest to me at all. No team of judges, no promise of promotional benefits associated with 'winning' anything.

Instead, it is a thinly disguised effort to steal from those who have the artistic talent and training needed to perform the work. The cost - in both time and money - to become a decent graphic designer is not small. What I would really love to know, from you and every other Tom, Dick, or Harry that sends these kind of requests to me, is why anyone would think someone should give that marketable skill away for free. There HAS to be a clear benefit shown, or it is an exploitive work request.

Sorry, it is clear you are developing a commercial enterprise of some kind. Not a nonprofit charity organization. If you want to hire talent, then loosen those purse strings and do it. Do not claim something as a contest, when it really isn't.

Last I will say on this thread here... I promise!
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2005, 08:51:11 PM »

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I'm just pointing out the facts of life here, zonefox. Don't shoot the messenger when 'real' graphic designers will pass on your offer.


Actually, I have had four people contact me and send in designs. 3 were certainly not artists, but they were giving it a shot at fifty bucks (can’t blame them).
The fourth actually is a 3d design artist and sent two surprisingly impressive drawings.

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This does not sound like a contest to me at all. No team of judges, no promise of promotional benefits associated with 'winning' anything.


If  I’m running the contest, then I’m the judge. As far as ‘promotional benefits’, some would consider fifty bucks a descent promotion for their wallet.

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Instead, it is a thinly disguised effort to steal from those who have the artistic talent and training needed to perform the work.


Actually, last I checked, if I’m offering to PAY for services rendered, that’s not stealing.

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The cost - in both time and money - to become a decent graphic designer is not small. What I would really love to know, from you and every other Tom, Dick, or Harry that sends these kind of requests to me,


I didn’t send this request to you. I asked for volunteers. If you do not wish to volunteer, you have no need of responding.

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is why anyone would think someone should give that marketable skill away for free. There HAS to be a clear benefit shown, or it is an exploitive work request.


Again, not asking to give it away for free. There is $50 on the table. (clear benefit shown)

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Sorry, it is clear you are developing a commercial enterprise of some kind. Not a nonprofit charity organization. If you want to hire talent, then loosen those purse strings and do it. Do not claim something as a contest, when it really isn't.


Commercial Enterprise? No. Nonprofit charity? Not exactly.
It’s a PERSONAL webpage offering FREE classifieds, FREE local events, FREE job listings, FREE local news, etcetera.

I’m not charging anyone anything to use the forum.
I get no money whatsoever out of it, so it’s certainly no commercial enterprise, although I’m not registered as a 501(c)3 either, so it’s not actually non-profit.

As for loosening the purse strings, I did that when I purchased server space and went into my pocket for everything needed to get the site online. I’m probably not making as much money as you high falutin’ artist types, so the couple hundred bucks it took me to get started was a big step for my financial state.

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Last I will say on this thread here... I promise!


I’ll hold you to that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2006, 10:51:34 PM »

 Grr..!! Grr..!! Grr..!! Grr..!! Grr..!! Grr..!!

Wow, someone took a little offense to this...

Zonefox, you might want to take some cover...  Mmm Coffee

Good luck with your artwork...

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2006, 06:07:29 AM »

make sure to post what you get Smile
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2006, 08:36:03 AM »

 Not Me Not gonna say a word.....ok maybe one.....or two....



No image for you!
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2006, 09:51:28 AM »

* GMTurner notes this thread was started over a year ago...
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The above post was made at a time when I gave a dang and doesn't necessarily reflect my current views or opinions.

For those no longer with us ... Grr..!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2006, 10:00:29 AM »

yeah i knew, but just replied anyway, zonefox will get an email... heh
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2006, 09:32:48 PM »

lol... I didn't Whoops... but this is still a pretty funny exchange...
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 11:48:37 PM »

Kinda necroposting here and all, but I wanted to post a link:
http://www.no-spec.com/

Basically graphic design "contests" hurt professional graphic designers and damage our community.  It is what is known as "spec work" or "speculative work".  It's bad for graphic designers like myself because it requires us to invest time and resources with no guarantee of payment.

Rather than just retype what's already been said I'll include a quote from a no spec article about design contests: http://www.no-spec.com/articles/design-contests/

"Right now, there exists a trend in the business world whereby companies get it in their heads that it would be a good idea to run a contest for their design work. What they will do is announce that they need, say, a new logo. The intent is for designers to individually spend the time to develop designs and then submit them. The company then goes over the entries and selects a “winner.” Only the winner receives any compensation for the work.

On the surface, and without applying any deeper thought to it, this might seem like a great idea. Rather than trust one designer to come up with a solution, a company can solicit the creative talent of dozens, or even hundreds of talented creatives.

As with most things, however, the reality of the situation is rarely so simple.

Advertising is a business, and working with a designer is a business relationship. Because of that, there are far more factors at work than just the final product. People will switch doctors because they don’t get along. They will refuse to shop at a certain store (despite really liking the products) because they can’t stand the employees. Conversely, people will go out of their way to do business with someone they like, even if doing so might be inconvenient or even a little more expensive. It is no different with a company’s relationship with its designer.

It isn’t only important to find someone talented and who can get your projects done on time. The best relationships between companies and designers occur when they understand each other, when the designer “gets” what the company wants and needs to be successful.

This kind of relationship is almost never possible in a contest.

Design contests are obviously huge gambles for the designers. They have to commit to doing a significant amount of work, and they have to do so essentially blind. Without the benefit of meeting with those putting on the contest face-to-face and gaining some in-depth insight into the project, the designers have to guess at the tastes of those in charge and just hope they do something appealing.

The thing that contest originators don’t understand, however, is that the contest model is just as much a lottery for them, too. Without meeting with the contest entrants, and seeing their past work and experiencing their personalities, the contest originators put themselves in the middle of a very risky gamble. Based simply on a submitted image, it is impossible to determine whether or not the designer has the knowledge and background to guide the project to an efficient (or even successful) conclusion.

It really isn’t all that difficult for someone with some basic creative skills to put some shapes together into a pleasing arrangement. However, making sure that those shapes have the technical foundation to meet the needs of a company is a different matter, as is having the knowledge and skill to follow up the project with changes, modifications, or even application to future projects.

Once the winner of the contest is chosen, the company has committed itself into a relationship with the designer. Now, at least on some level, the company is going to have to deal with this person. It’s not unlike choosing a mail-order bride based just on a picture. It’s not going to matter how pretty she is in the picture if she’s a complete and total shrew in person, or if it’s discovered that she can’t speak your language and has no skills to speak of. I’d venture to guess that very few of the companies running contests have the knowledge of the design industry to take over a project should they discover that their winner’s only skill is in making pleasing pictures.

What it boils down to is a loss of control. By running a contest, the company gives up its power to choose a designer based on talent, skill, personality and all of the other factors that make it possible to conduct business with someone. This is no more a sound business model than playing the lottery in the hopes of making a profit. "
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 05:12:38 AM »

While I totally agree with what your saying the other side of the argument is - you don't exactly have to take part... let those that aren't "professional graphic designers" take part (although its a year old).

It isn't exactly directed at people who charge 20k for a logo anyway - its a forum. It gives people an opportunity, although a gambled one at that.

This threads been brought back from the dead far too many times lol
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