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SJ
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« on: June 28, 2008, 01:27:14 PM »

Hi,

Can you run a server script from a sub-domain ?  It is a 'multiplayer game-server script' where users would log on to play....java code ?



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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 08:05:33 AM »

The way you explained it, I'll say no. To run a Java application, you would need the Java Runtime Environment. The JRE is only available with Windows Virtual Private Servers as far as I can see.

Maybe you could give more info on exactly what this 'multiplayer game-server script' actually is? If you're running a game-server, you probably want to go more with the LP Dedicated hosting packages.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 09:01:12 AM »

Yes, it does need Java Runtime Environment.

I have the Basic Hosting Plan at Lunar to host my websites, but my son (little "clone" computer addict... Soooo Cool) runs a server script from his pc for people to log on to to play a multiplayer game.  But now he is asking me if I will open up his pc to multiple users by setting up a no-ip address on his pc at home Confused .

I am a bit worried about using a no-ip, I think no-ip works with a static ip address and I dont know if there are security issues relating to this because static...(because dynamic ips change I think so that it is harder to track etc....if anyone knows anything about no-ip's....please chip in here  Smiling) and I just got to wondering if the game could be run off my Basic Hosting plan seeing as I had it anyway ! 

We did set up the no-ip before on his pc and soon after found some kind of "keylogging" program on his pc, and still dont know if it was anything to do with the no-ip (static ip address) or security issue using no-ip.....so I took it off, and dont know if I should use it again.

I wont be upgrading to dedicated server for his game alone !!

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »

Well as far as I know, to get a key logger, one would need to open an EXE file (from emails, downloads, etc) But I would assume it's relatively safe unless it's running 24/7
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 09:04:42 AM »

I use DynDNS instead of No-IP, but they provide the same type of service. Basically, the program you install and run is a client to the respective network you have chosen. When you receive a new IP from your internet service provider, the client software automatically contacts the network (DynDNS or No-IP) and updates your DNS record to reflect the new IP. I don't know where the keylogger came from, but if anti-virus software detected it, it may have been a false-positive.

The purpose of No-IP is to provide a domain name for persons without a static IP address. There is really not much of a difference between having a dynamic IP or a static IP in terms of security vulnerability. The real difference is in whether you have an always-on (like cable) connection or not. Most malicious software is designed to work regardless of whether the IP address is static or not.

As for your son's game, if you are using software to, shall we say, "replicate" a mainstream game, this software can take up a bit of processor and memory, especially with Java. My suggestion is to buy some cheap junk PC, put Linux on it, stick java on it, and run the game server from there. You can also put the No-IP software on that box. Then, use the firewall included with any mainstream router to open the necessary ports (most likely the login server and the game server) to the Linux box. This relegates all the software to the linux box. If someone tries to attack that server, then you can just do a fresh install of linux.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »

Thanks very much for your replies.

He runs this from his own pc anyway and I use another pc, both PCs run on the same "home network".

My final question is then : If he does encounter some kind of hacker/malicioius entry on his pc.....Can this then also affect my pc too, because they are on a home "network"... ?

Thanks again
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 03:30:41 PM »

If the PCs are behind a common firewall, then yes, his could attack yours quite easily. If yours has its own firewall (and virus/spyware scanning), it should be fairly safe.

As for your original question about a game server, that would not be allowed on a shared server (Basic, Business, or Windows) if it requires running its own background processes. That is, running code continuously even if no-one is signed on to the game. So, is this thing a regular web site (inactive when no-one is on) or is it doing something all the time? If the latter, a dedicated server could certainly do it (but big $$$), and a VPS might be allowed to. Are the pages Java? Would that require JSP? Or do players download Java applets to their PCs and run those?

If you're thinking about hosting this game server at home (as suggested before), better check with your ISP. Some of them get rather cranky about people hosting servers (high bandwidth needed) on non-commercial accounts.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 12:48:51 PM »

In response to what you said MrPhil, SJ was looking to run a server for a multi-user dungeon type game. If my guess is right, the server is probably along the lines of an emulator of a mainstream game. This means that the client to the server resides on the hard-drive of the user and is not web-based. The client is usually an executable file spun from a game engine. Usually the only web-based application that the server utilizes is an account sign-up form.

As for what type of server would support this, besides a dedicated server, only the Windows Virtual Private Server plan currently supports the Java Runtime Environment out-of-the-box. Assuming that SJ's son doesn't have many friends that want to connect to the server, I think he'd be alright running the server out of his house. If he was intending to run a larger server (like one to rival mainstream vendors) then his ISP would get their knickers in a bunch. Right now they're dealing with the rising number of BitTorrent users anyways.

Back to SJ's latest question, any hacker/malicious entry would be just like any other hacker/malicious entry. It depends on what kind of damage they want to do, but they always have access to any other computers on your private network. As MrPhil said, if you have the anti-malware stuff you should be fine. Regardless of your son running the server, you're still susceptible to malicious entry anyways.
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