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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2007, 07:20:59 PM »

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Paypal is nice but if you want to be professional you might want to give the customer more options than just Paypal. It's good to have Paypal as an option, don't get me wrong, but you should probably have another option as well.

Okay, this post is mainly just generic info for anybody who needs credit card processing, to hopefully save you from future headaches Smile ...

As ajmo mentioned, your customers DO NOT need a PayPal account to pay via credit card anymore (they did in the past, but not anymore).
 
Those customers who have a PayPal account can use that method, and those that don't just enter their credit card info.

I have been in business for 28 years, thus I have been taking credit card orders for a very looooong time  Very Happy. Last year I totally switched to PayPal, because their fees are clear cut and they don't have any hidden charges, etc. (and also, because they don't require my customers to sign up anymore Smile)

I have tried several credit card processing merchants/vendors in those 28 years and many of them charge hidden fees, etc., so many times your rate is much higher than what they originally sign you up for (or what you think you've signed up for).

One thing I didn't like about some of the merchant practices is that my refunds would get charged as a transaction, as well. I have had customers who've had to cancel their wedding, which resulted in canceling their order, thus my refunds would range anywhere from $200 - $800+, and when you get charged BOTH ways on the transaction (incoming and outgoing), it hurts!  Grr..!!

The first time it happened, I thought my processing vendor made a mistake, but I found that it is what they do and many do it (a few don't but good luck in finding them Smile). And there are other hidden fees, as well. On my last vendor hunting, I sent all the potential vendors these questions, because they don't normally state these in their ads:

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We understand that your current rates for "Mail Order" are as follows (as per your website):

Discount rate: 2.30%
Transaction fee: .25
Statement fee: $10.00/month
 
Please answer the following:
 
Your website stated NO application or setup fees, but do you have an "annual" fee?
 
What are your:
 
1) Mid-Qualifying rates?
2) Non-Qualifying rates?
 
Do you have a "batch" processing fee?
 
When we issue a "credit/refund" to a customer (we are NOT taking about a "chargeback"), do you charge us any fees on the amount credited/refunded aside from the "transaction fee"? Do we receive back the "discount rate" which was previously taken OR do you charge us the discount rate again on the credit/refund amount?
 
Do you lock us into a contract, thus having an early cancellation/termination fee?

Oh, and those other fees I was mentioning are those "Mid-Qualifying" and "Non-Qualifying" rates. You'd be surprised how many show up on your statement, thus making the initial rate considerably higher than the advertised rate. I did a calculation once on my statements and the rate came to over 3% after all those fees, so you see, you can't just take the advertised rate as gospel, because the other fees are standard procedures.

So, if you are shopping for a credit card processing merchant/vendor, make sure you ask the above questions because they will undoubtably come back with surprising answers to those. They won't tell you this info unless you ask, because it's in their fine print which most people don't read thoroughly or understand what the heck it means (you start understanding it real fast after you've experienced it on your billing statements, lol  Smile).

Anyway, for myself, the last time I had to go hunting for a vendor (I must have checked out at least 10 of them) all of them had a combination of the above hidden fees, so I just got fed up and went with PayPal, cuz at least I knew what I was getting charged and they don't lock you into a contract (many others charge you as much as up to $250 if you cancel early).

PayPal also does NOT charge you for your customer refunds, and they even go one step further ... they refund you the fees they took out on the initial order! So, you take no loss on a cancellation  Thumbs Up

Sorry this is such a long post, but I felt it was necessary to share my experience, so you can make sure to get complete info from a potential processing merchant/vendor, cuz once you sign up, you're stuck with them for one or two years unless you want to pay the horrendous early termination fee  Sad

So, if you don't go with PayPal and you hunt around to find your best prospect, make sure you ask them those questions I stated above (you can just copy and paste mine in your own letter if you want Smile), because you want to know these things before signing on the dotted line  Smiling
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 08:14:50 AM »

Hi leighsww -

Thanks for taking the time to share that info.  I'm just about to go live with my store (selling t-shirts) as soon as I set up a payment gateway.  I'm probably going with Paypal IPN simply because setting up a SSL cert and dedicated IP is expensive ($89 for cert, 24.95 setup and $2.50/month for dedicated IP address), and a lot more complicated to integrate into the shopping cart

Do you have a regular business acct w/PP or did you go with PP Pro?  Which shopping cart do you use?  Thanks again for sharing your expertise. Thumbs Up
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2007, 08:19:13 AM »

Hi leighsww -

Thanks for taking the time to share that info.  I'm just about to go live with my store (selling t-shirts) as soon as I set up a payment gateway.  I'm probably going with Paypal IPN simply because setting up a SSL cert and dedicated IP is expensive ($89 for cert, 24.95 setup and $2.50/month for dedicated IP address), and a lot more complicated to integrate into the shopping cart

Do you have a regular business acct w/PP or did you go with PP Pro?  Which shopping cart do you use?  Thanks again for sharing your expertise. Thumbs Up

Hey there,

I'm planning on doing the same. I want to sell some T-shirts on my website but I don't know if I need to open up a business to do so. I don't want to go through all the hassle of getting a tax license and a new business just to sell some shirts. Do you have any info on this maybe?
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2007, 09:05:51 AM »

Information for small business proprietors who are USA citizens or registered aliens:
Small Business Administration: http://www.sba.gov/
IRS educational resources: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/index.html
SCORE, nonprofit counseling by retired executives (find a local mentor): http://www.score.org/

The most common missed steps by first-time small businesses:
Open a separate bank account to keep business separate from personal.
File a DBA (Doing Business As).
Comply with any applicable city or county Home Occupation ordinances.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2007, 11:06:57 AM »

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I'm planning on doing the same. I want to sell some T-shirts on my website but I don't know if I need to open up a business to do so. I don't want to go through all the hassle of getting a tax license and a new business just to sell some shirts. Do you have any info on this maybe?

Hey Adi D

 I'm sure people do it on a cash basis, but I decided to do everything by the book, ie tax cert, dba, etc.    I'm not zoned for a home based business so I had to find another address and finding something cheap was not easy.  Also, it was difficult to figure out what was legit as far as shopping carts and merchant accounts were concerned.   I ended up going with Cube Cart in part because I'm not very good at coding other than intermediate html and CC is pretty user friendly so far.     Now I'm trying to decide what payment gateway to use.

Good luck with yours.





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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2007, 01:15:47 AM »

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Do you have a regular business acct w/PP or did you go with PP Pro?  Which shopping cart do you use?

I've used both the Virtual Terminal and the Email Payments methods. I do not currently use a shopping cart.

I've looked at converting to one and sampled many various carts in the past, but I couldn't find one that did the pricing structure that I needed (I need incremental type pricing) and also it would take a LOT of work having to style the cart to match my site which just thinking about that took the energy right out of me Smile

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Adi - Since you're going to be selling for profit, you would need to register a business license with your state no matter how small your business is going to be. Best to do things legal and all, is my opinion  Big Wink.

The link to SCORE that Drilldown gave you is a GREAT source for getting free advice, resources, etc. Make sure to check that out. Ask there what your best options are for what you want to do, especially for tax purposes.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007, 02:10:52 PM »

Leighsww, Thank you so much  :clap:for taking the time to give so much valuable info.  mxgirl, great addin's and Drilldown wonderfull cap off with the addys.  I'm so glad I found this group.   Happy Happy Joy Joy
I'm struggling along with creating my site and am taking a break by checking on a future need - collecting payments, getting lots of needed help here.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2007, 01:06:02 PM »

Yeah, I guess I'll just have to do it the proper way if I chose to do it. Gotta see if it's worth it in the first place. If all I'm going to sell is 20 shirts through a year, it's not even worth bothering for.
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