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RickJ
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« on: September 09, 2006, 07:36:42 PM »

I'm using PhotoshopElements.

I've saved high quality screenshots for web to 3oo px wide and get only fair results:
http://www.thriftysites.com/clients/index.html

Look here; this site has super quality thumbnails that are only 110 px wide:
http://www.bluelaserdesign.com/portfolio.htm

How can I get high quality mini pics of my website pages?

Thanks!!
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 08:16:29 AM »

How can I get high quality mini pics of my website pages?

To get high quality thumbnails, look in the Yellow Pages for a licensed manicurist...  Surprised  Oops, misinterpreted your subject!

I don't use PhotoshopElements myself (I use The GIMP, which is more like the full Photoshop). When rescaling images in The GIMP, it asks me to choose among several methods, some of which are slower but yield higher quality. Does Elements offer such choices? If not, it may use a Quick and Dirty method that doesn't give good results for rescaling. After rescaling, if this is a JPEG image, you may want to crank up the quality settings (less compression = bigger file = better quality) when you save it. If Elements doesn't give you a choice, consider using something else.

An aside: be careful when working with JPEG images to save them a minimal number of times. Every save loses information during compression and the image quality deteriorates. Work from the "most original" copy you can.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 08:49:01 AM »

Thanks for these tips.  I'll try The Gimp since it's free  Thumbs Up

Interestingly, the PE gurus say that to make big reductions it's best to do it in increments of no more than 10% at a time.

Frankly, I've found no difference in reducing from 1100 wide to 110 wide in one jump or in 10% increments...

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 09:57:58 AM »

I think it's mainly a matter of quality in, quality out. If you're original file is not of high enough quality, your thumbnail won't be either.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 11:18:45 AM »

Manicure  Happy Happy Joy Joy
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 04:34:14 PM »

Interestingly, the PE gurus say that to make big reductions it's best to do it in increments of no more than 10% at a time.

I don't know for sure why they would recommend that. You certainly don't want to repeatedly save a JPEG image because of the repeated information loss during compression. If you're not saving, or at least, not saving to JPEG, at each increment, you may not be losing anything. If PE is using a poor image scaling algorithm, the 10% steps may indeed (at least, in some cases), give better results than one big jump. Maybe if you see the intermediate results, you won't realize how bad the final result is (a little bit of psychology there: compare images n-1 and n, not 1 and n)!

Long ago, when the world was young and JPEG was a new format, I helped a co-worker with an image viewer problem. He complained that his JPEG images were "deteriorating" over time, with repeated viewings. The problem is that he thought he was simply exiting the viewer, but he was actually saving and then exiting. Each time, information (image quality) was being lost.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2006, 04:47:17 PM »

Hi RickJ,

It's a bit like what philvis said earlier... you need a good quality image to start with.

Then you really need to choose a compression format that doesn't degrade your thumbnails too much... with jpg's, gifs you can select the compression in some programs.

There is a balance between quality and file size that you will need to decide on... obviously the bigger the file size the better the image but the trade-off for this is download times and bandwidth on larger sites.

I am not sure exactly what photoshop elements provides since I use photoshop but I would imagine that there would be a preview function with some sliders or something so you can adjust settings prior to the final export.

Normally you can 'get away with' around 75% compression on a good original image with little or no visible loss on the screen.

You also have options such as gif or the newer png format which can be surprisingly clear and small in file size compared to some jpg's.

I'm not sure if this has helped at all but just something else to think about.

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