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RickJ
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« on: August 23, 2006, 03:06:21 AM »

OK, this will sound weird, I know...

See the photo "slideshow" we've got here:
www.tripswithkidz.com

What is this effect called? 

It was made for me with Adobe ImageReady but I'm looking for another app that I can get that will do the same thing.  I've got PhotoshopElements but am not finding any functions in it that do this.

Thanks!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 04:15:08 AM »

Well, Swish can do this too, Rick. It's like Flash but much simpler. I am sure there are many others out there that have suggestions as well so I am interested too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 04:28:42 AM »

Thanks, Scott.  That's a start.  Buddy I know runs www.swish-tutorials.com ...I'll have to give him a ring.

...if anyone has an "official" name for this effect, though, I'd still like to do a little hunting around.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2006, 04:53:55 AM »

Looks like it's just an animated gif with 3 frames so you can do this with any gif animation software.

You can do the same thing with lots of other tools.  I'm using a javascript myself so it's easy to change on the fly and it just serves up jpg's which look better than the 256 color gifs and ends up being just as small (sometimes smaller).  The script I'm using at www.kohlikaliher.com is from http://slideshow.barelyfitz.com/

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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2006, 04:55:55 AM »

Thanks, Tim.  I like simple!  Thumbs Up   Will check out that script.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2006, 04:59:32 AM »

Now, that's interesting! Thanks tarheit for sharing! Smile
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2006, 05:54:24 AM »

I'm using a javascript myself so it's easy to change on the fly and it just serves up jpg's which look better than the 256 color gifs and ends up being just as small (sometimes smaller). 

Have dialup users been abandoned? What's the protocol here? RickJ's tripswithkidz site has the animated gif - 3 pictures worth - weighing in at 90+K and only covering about a 200 X 200 px area and a 120K background image and tarheit's link site has an animated gif he same size as RickJ's at 80+K and a banner of 35K.

These two examples seem to ignore dialup uers as, at a minimum, it would take 20+ seconds to load tarheit's and 30+ seconds to load RickJ's page.

I'm pretty much ready to go with larger file sizes but that's the one standard I'm having trouble ignoring. I guess I remember my dialup days to well. I haven't checked lately but I'm relatively certain that dialup users are a much larger piece of the pie than those who use a browser other than IE or an OS other than Windows.

Have designers forgotten the dialup users? I'm hoping it's time to move on.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2006, 06:08:14 AM »

Thanks, Philvis, I'm all ears.   I can certainly look at reducing the pic sizes...but what about the app I use to do the effect?  Would the javascript be faster for dialup users than Swish or some other app?

What would you do right now with this page if it was your site?
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2006, 06:39:35 AM »

An animated gif file size is going to be the total of the individual frames - in this case, one photo per frame - so the file size is pretty much set. You might can tweak it a little - but not much. The delivery method won't make much difference in size. Displaying it as you are is probably the most compatable method.

I think your page is fine. Looks good. I'm just glad I don't have dialup.



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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2006, 08:08:24 AM »

As far as wich is faster, you just need to look at the total size of all the images plus overhead.  I prefer the javascript myself myself because the overhead is low and doesn't require downloading and installing any plugins  (worst case would be if the client can't use javascript.  Then the viewer would just see the first image only).  Plus with the javascript slideshow you can optimize each image independently, and even use a mix of JPG, PNG, GIF if the file size is smaller.  Often with real world images JPG is smaller (optimizing the compression level and striping the EXIF data),  but with line drawings, cartoon like drawings, etc. PNG or GIF tend to be better.

Dialup has become almost unusable IMHO.  It use to be you could turn off graphics and still get everything out of the website you needed, but it hasen't been that way for a while.    Heck, replying to this message loads the editor (with all the buttons and smilies) and that takes 193k.  The trips with kids page is just 331k, but with far fewer total files (ie. less overhead making connections which makes a difference with dialup). 

The best thing you can do for dialup is make pages that are readable/usable without graphics turned on (better for search engines too I think).  Just try turning off images in ie or foxfire and view some pages. www.kohlikaliher.com, http://slideshow.barelyfitz.com/ and even this forum are quite usable without images.  www.tripswithkidz.com on the other hand is a good example of what not to do.  It's whole menu/navigation structure is a picture, and there doesn't appear to be any ALT text anywhere.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2006, 08:09:51 AM »

Another option that involves a bit more work would be to create an alternative page for dial-up users to navigate to that is less intensive for them to render.

Sort of like when using (ughh) frames. An alternative page to view outside of the frames pages.

This way any dial-up users can still enjoy the fine work you have done without the issues of downloading the larger page(s).

Maybe instead of the animation...you could use a static image with a lower resolution for the alternate page?

Just an idea... Smile
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2006, 08:17:47 AM »

I think the number of dialup users who turn graphics off is miniscule. Instead, they hit the back button, use some other means to leave the page, or just wait impatiently.

I definitely agree that dialup has become unusable for any sort of graphics work. Oh well.
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