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Author Topic: Are most of my pages in the main index, or supplementals?  (Read 986 times)
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« on: September 27, 2007, 09:26:14 AM »

When I do a search for www.fussybaby.ca on google, I'm not sure how to tell if the pages it displays are in the main index or supplemental.  Help?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 09:44:29 AM »

Hmm, well I am getting "Results 1 - 10 of about 143 from fussybaby.ca" when searching for site:fussybaby.ca.

You might want to look into setting up Google's Webmaster Tools.  This will give you a lot more information about how Google is crawling and ranking your web site.

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 10:13:01 AM »

site:fussybaby.ca/* shows 14. Doing fine for a new site!  Thumbs Up

site:example.com/* is not proof, and it may not continue to work, but many think it is useful for counting pages in the main index.

The sure way to tell is to pick a page you are concerned about, and search for an exact phrase that has been on that page for a while, but that is unique to that page only.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 10:20:30 AM »

When the page is supplemental, the line at the bottom of the entry that looks like this

www.fussybaby.ca/ - 12k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

looks something like this

www.fussybaby.ca/ - 12k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 10:24:09 AM »

Sad to say that the supplemental label is gone from the SERPs now, so it is much harder to tell which pages need work.  Sad

Watching your visitor log can give you a wealth of info and inspiration.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 12:08:18 PM »

Sad to say that the supplemental label is gone from the SERPs now, so it is much harder to tell which pages need work.  Sad
I did not know that! Surprised  And I was so happy that all my pages had gone nonsupplemental! Roll Except they did it gradually, not all at once.  Confused  Glad I never worried about it too much. What can you really do about it anyway? You can't push a river. Just make the best site you can and let Google tell you if it's any good or not!  Hypno
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 01:13:00 PM »

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You can't push a river.

How true!  Grinning

But you can channel some of the water to irrigate the fields a little.

Say you've got some pages like "Privacy Policy" and "Contact Us" or "Fine Print Legal Stuff." Sometimes your visitors need them. Suppose in your heart of hearts, you don't think these are the best stuff you've got to offer the world. But for some reason*, the search engine has picked these very pages above other more useful pages.

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Just make the best site you can and let Google tell you if it's any good or not!

And don't forget to tell Google what you yourself think of your own pages, *by the way you link to them internally. If your privacy policy isn't the very most important thing that you know you've got to offer the world, then don't link to it on every page, only where it will be most needed. After a while, Google may take the hint that you don't think this page is quite as special as some of your other ones. They might make it supplemental, and then let some traffic flow to your more favorite pages.

This isn't something that should be changed on a massive scale all at once, it's like pruning.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 08:17:01 PM »

When I do a search for www.fussybaby.ca on google, I'm not sure how to tell if the pages it displays are in the main index or supplemental.  Help?
Is the page important for those keywords?  Should a privacy policy appear on "fussy baby help"?  Nah.  Is the baby monitor page relevant for "fussy baby nutrition"?  Nah.  Is it good for "baby monitor"?  Of course. 

The reason I say this is simply that if you put in your keywords to the search engines and your pages come up on the first page then awesome!  If the page comes up on page 6 of the results then it needs work.  Just make sure you are checking the correct search terms for the proper page.  If you put in "Fussy baby" and don't see your baby monitors then don't sweat it.  If you put in "baby monitor for fussy babies" and it doesn't come up THEN fix THAT page.  Remember, each page stands on it's own merit.  Search engines have no concept (for all intents and purposes) of sites but rather pages.  Google and Yahoo don't care that the food and the monitors are in the same site... they just care that baby monitors gives a good list of pages of baby monitors and that fussy nutrition gives a good list of pages of fussy nutrition info.

Most of all, don't over-emphasize the results of search engines.  Yes it is pretty doggone important to get to the top but it takes months to get there from a startup.  Some people never make it because they keep chasing the latest fads or "black hat" techniques and then just as they are about to make the first page the engine slams that technique that it never liked and poof, they're on page 64.  Just make a good page that says something important, get good links to it from, preferably, related sites that are not your own and do a lot of waiting.  If a search engine changes their algorithm 2 times a year then you may have to wait 6 months for it to START to benefit you.  Then if you did just the right things you'll start to bubble to the top -- unless you get nervous and try the next great fad. 

Certainly don't forget about SEO issues, but find some good forums and read what people say that are tried and true.  If they have topics like "Get to the top in 3 months" then I'd say avoid them.  If they tell you to make a good page that is usable then there's hope for them.  There is no secret trick or fast-track to the top.

I'm sorry it's a bit wordy but I hope this helps.
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