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Radeon
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« on: July 21, 2007, 05:01:37 PM »

What do you think..? It it worth trying it out.. And if you have anyother better suggestions please i'm really in need of traffic!

http://www.virtual-submit.com/index.htm
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 06:32:23 PM »

Based on just a first impression of their home page, it looks legitimate enough, but most of it also looks unnecessary. 

You only need to submit to 3 search engines, if even that many. Those 3 will find you eventually even if you don't submit. The other 9,997 won't bring you much traffic. If this is the primary reason you're interested in their service, this really isn't worth anything.

Robots.txt is easy: to allow all robots, don't create a robots.txt file at all. That's all.

Good meta tags are essential. But do you want to trust an automated process?

Do you need a web page builder?

I don't know what they mean by the Door/Gateway page maker. If it's a page all loaded up with keywords, forget about it. 

Look at their TOS. (I didn't.) Why is it $20 a year? What are you getting into?

I hope others will bring other perspectives to this thread. I'm no expert at SEO companies. This looks more legit than many to me.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 07:08:24 PM »

A very easy way to check out an online business is to check out the links pointing to them. One way to do this is to go to Yahoo and search for:

linkdomain:example.com -site:example.com

(In this case, replace both instances of "example" with virtual-submit)

The first link on the list is from a site with a magnified photo of parasites.

(seems relevant)   Haha
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 07:14:57 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 05:01:04 AM »

How is that funny i found them on an advertisment on Yahoo..  Thanks by the way for ruining my day.. You could atleast have given me suggestion of a better website with similar features. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 06:11:15 AM »

The SE doesn't need you to submit. It finds your pages via links. If you submit but have no inbound links from pages already in the main index, your page won't be added to the index anyway.

Watch your log for the visits of search engine robots. If the SE bot HAS visited your pages but visits only rarely, or your pages are put in the supplemental index, then SE submission is not relevant.

In that case, you would need to work on getting more inbound links. This would encourage the bot to visit more often. Relevant links help build trust. Make your content as interesting or useful as possible so it can attract links. Text would help more than images. Don't repeat anything, and if you find anything already duplicated, eliminate it.

If you have very few relevant inbound links so far, the SE will only keep a few of your pages in the main index. If you have a lot of supplemental pages, they will not get traffic. Work on the pages you have rather than adding more.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 11:55:47 AM »

Radeon, my comments would have applied to any place offering services of that type. It's all stuff that is either unnecessary (submitting to thousands of SEs) or that with a small amount of effort you can do yourself (the rest of it). I didn't mean to ruin your day.

You asked about better suggestions. Last night, I thought you meant better suggestions for building traffic, and I was too tired to try to tackle that subject at that time. If you meant better suggestions for similar companies, I don't have any.  Like I said, that one doesn't look bad, and they're inexpensive, and you can always see what they suggest and then ignore it if you don't like the result. 

I am going through your site now, and will post some comments. Some of the things that that SEO company will do are things that your site needs. All your pages need good (better) descriptive description and keywords meta tags. Keywords should be single words rather than phrases. Separate the words with commas. If someone does enter the phrase, it will match all of the words. Keywords should be words that people will use when they are searching for the type of content your site provides.  Description tags should be similarly descriptive, describing what the pages are about.  For example, on your home page you can remove the "Welcome" text. Just describe what the page is. Welcome goes elsewhere. Your TITLE tags will appear as the titles in search engine result pages. Word them to be attractive in that setting. Your description tags will appear in the search engine text snippets.  Word them to be attractive in that setting. People going hurriedly thru search results should be able to tell at a glance, "Hey that's just what I'm looking for".

You have text on every page, and that is good.  Search engines cannot read text that is in Flash or images. 

All the above comments have to do with things that might help search engines determine specifically what your site is about, and therefore put your pages into search results when people are looking for those things. 

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The reason I said not to submit to 10,000 search engines is because 90% or so (I'm just guessing) of all web traffic comes from Google. A few percent come from Live, Yahoo!, and Ask, and all the rest share the remaining 1% (or whatever tiny fraction it is). Being listed in 10,000 search engines is no help if no one is actually using those engines to do searches. 

I have to admit total ignorance about gaming.  I've never owned any game console. I barely understand what your site is about.  But it does seem that game sites, clans, and such are quite popular, which is good for you. But it also means that it's a very competitive area, which is bad for you because it's hard to distinguish yourself from the others. 

You might benefit from traffic from sources other than search engines, which will require doing some personal public relations.  Think about the people to whom your site would be interesting, and figure out where they are if they're not at your site.  Go there, join discussions, and mention your site from time to time.

Keep building your site, making it what you want it to be.

Your site is well represented in Google. Many of your pages are supplemental, but that will not prevent them from turning up in search results when they are relevant to the search terms being used. Almost all of my pages were supplemental for more than a year, and it did not inhibit getting traffic from them.  Now they're coming out of the supplemental index in batches. I get traffic from the supplemental pages, and traffic from the non-supplemental pages, and it makes no difference.  Some of my important pages are supplemental, and some of the most ridiculously trivial pages are not supplemental.  There is no consistency to it at all.  And besides that, it keeps shifting and changing. 

All my pages are low "PR" (PageRank). However, my highest PR pages (the ones with inbound links) don't always bring much traffic. The pages that turn up highest in search engine result pages, and bring the most traffic, often are the ones with no inbound links.

Other than forum posts like this one, my site has a total of 3 real backlinks, the same it has had for the past 18 months, and nonetheless some of my pages appear near the top of relevant searches. 

The point is, in any given context, each of my pages is getting the essential result that it deserves. If it answers a question that a lot of people are asking, it gets a lot of traffic whether it's supplemental or not and whether it has backlinks or not and whether it has high PR or not. If it isn't of interest to many people, it doesn't get much traffic. Backlinks don't help, higher PR doesn't help, and being non-supplemental doesn't help, either.

Clearly I have a different perspective on some of these issues than Drilldown. Different people with different websites have had differing experiences, so the ones above are just a report of what mine have been. 

If you search these forums (and many other forums) on phrases like "more traffic", "low traffic", "improve traffic" (you get the idea), you'll find tons of advice and good suggestions. I know very well what it feels like to try to keep one's spirits up while managing a low traffic website, but it can turn around and improve. Just keep doing whatever things you believe improve its quality, and, in your case, I think some personal PR will help, more than it would in the case of my site.

Hope something in that jumble of text might prove helpful.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 02:14:52 PM »

One word WOW! but anyway.. Thanks!  Happy Happy Joy Joy
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