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« on: September 05, 2007, 10:42:24 AM »

I have earched high and low and have found very few if any link directories that will submit your url at no cost, if anyone knows of any please let me know, thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 10:45:47 AM »

Some of the search engines frown on this practice - so I would highly suggest just going to the big ones out there, submitting yourself - and let the others find you from there. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 01:30:21 PM »

And honestly, a submission may help trivially, but for the most part if a spider can't find you from following a link from other indexed sites then you won't do well in the placement anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2007, 09:31:20 AM »

I have followed the advice of other members here and elsewhere, and sought out sites which offer reciprocal links, in an attempt to climb the ratings. It's not easy finding them, and it seems that they all expect you to put a link on your site first to theirs, and then you have to wait 2 or 3 weeks for the reciprocal link back, which doesn't seem like fair play to me. Still, so far, I've managed to get 13 or so links back to my site which are live (I've checked them!) So why, when I check the link stats with Google webmaster tools, does it appear that the only links Google has found to my site are on this and one other forum where I've posted my url?HuhHuh?

And when (if?) Google finds these hard to obtain links, will it help my ranking very much anyway?
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2007, 09:42:14 AM »

Torrie, long time - no see! 

If it is taking them that long to get back to you, I would ditch them.  Most people who are really happy to exchange will do so quicker than that.  Sounds like these people might just be trying to get you to link to them without them returning the favor.  I agree though - it is hard to sort out the good ones from the bad ones.

Could be that Google just doesn't have very good stats or tracking numbers for these other domains.  These forums here are pretty popular (and I would guess crawled often by Google).  Could also be that Google hasn't crawled those other links since the put up the links back to you.

It does make for a good side project for your site, but I wouldn't drive yourself bonkers over it.  Who knows, maybe after some time you might even start getting some people coming to you asking you if they can exchange links with them.  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2007, 10:36:15 AM »

Hi Mitch!
I haven't been around much lately because I have solved (mostly with your help) most of the problems I encountered on this journey. All, that is, except for how to get the site listed high enough in Google for anyone to actually notice it! It doesn't really matter too much, because I never started it with any great expectations, or with a need for it to become a commercially viable enterprise. It was just for my own amusement and knowledge, and in that respect, it has already been a huge success.
But boy, is it frustrating not to be able to improve on 67th place in Google! Apart from playing around with the content, adding the odd new photo etc., I seem to have run out of things to do with the site now. I shall have to come up with a new idea for another site, and start all over again, and see if I can do better.
By the way, 8 of the links I have obtained did come to me asking for an exchange - albeit all from one webmaster. But at least that's proof that someone can find my site!

Cheers  Soooo Cool
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2007, 03:32:25 PM »

Sorry to bang on about this, but it's really getting to me......

Still searching around for more links, I came across this message on another site:
 
If you own a website, and would like to boost the chances of your website appearing in the search engines, or maybe provide extra information for visitors to your website, you can include the code below in your website.Just copy the code and paste it into the HTML code for your website, in the home page if possible

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the idea to get other website owners to put links on their websites to mine? How exactly will it help my SE rating if I just add a link to theirs? If it was just a case of adding links to other websites from mine, I'd happily stay up all night doing so!

Having been checking every so often to see where my site turns up in Google when searching for "Torremolinos information", I decided to do the same with Yahoo, MSN, Ask etc. My site doesn't even show up in the top 100 hits with any of them. I just don't understand how a website specifically dedicated to information on a specific town can come so far down the list, when nearly all those above it are hotel booking or car rental or real estate sites, covering just about anywhere. And yet, if you want information specifically about another town down the coast, for example, Manilva, a similar search gets www.manilvalife.com at No.1.
It was partly the lack of any sites specific to Torremolinos when doing a specific search, that prompted me to have a go at creating this site.
So please, can anyone explain what I've done to upset Google and the others?  Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2007, 04:07:49 PM »

The Gods of Google like to see links to your site from related (similar business) sites. However, they will smite you if they see you on "link farms" and other collections of unrelated links. If your line of "business" is information on town(s) and citie(s), it would be good to get links from other city, county, state, etc. sites, whether commercial or government-run. On the other hand, if you are linked to by a site which is nothing but a collection of unrelated links, or otherwise can't be justified as having something to do with your "business", at best that link will be ignored and at worst you'll be penalized.

Outbound links from you to other sites will do nothing for your search engine rankings, but might help them. Just make sure that they sooner or later link back to you. Does the HTML code you paste into your site include your site's URL, so they can generate a link back to you?
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2007, 04:20:06 PM »

The links I have sought out have only been from sites with some related interest - either other towns nearby or Spanish travel or expat sites. That's part of the problem - finding enough suitable sites to link to. I deliberately avoided signing up to any link exchange programs, simply because I can't see the point of having a page full of unrelated links on my own site.
Don't quite understand your last sentence. I've been looking for sites to reciprocate links, but within the pages of my site I have occasionally put in a useful link (for example to tourist attractions). Should I be including my own url somehow in those links?
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2007, 05:07:46 PM »

The links I have sought out have only been from sites with some related interest - either other towns nearby or Spanish travel or expat sites.

That ought to pass muster with Google (no penalty). My assumption is that at some point a real human looks over a site and manually "adjusts" a machine-generated list of keywords, and that list is used to compare (by machine) against other sites and decide if they're "related" enough. At least, that's what I'd guess that Google does. Maybe they're confident enough in their AI skills to do it all by computer (humans out of the loop) and the keywords just aren't matching up well enough. Remember too that Google (and possibly the other engines) are constantly changing their ranking systems as people learn how they work and starting "gaming" the system.

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That's part of the problem - finding enough suitable sites to link to. I deliberately avoided signing up to any link exchange programs, simply because I can't see the point of having a page full of unrelated links on my own site.

As I said, Google (and perhaps other search engines) will penalize you if it thinks your inbound links are coming from a junk (unrelated) site that's just trying to pump up search result rankings with lots of bogus links.

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Don't quite understand your last sentence. I've been looking for sites to reciprocate links, but within the pages of my site I have occasionally put in a useful link (for example to tourist attractions). Should I be including my own url somehow in those links?

No, that's not what I was getting at. My suggestion was that if someone says, "paste this link code to my site into your site and in 21 days you will receive 100 inbound links in return" (sounds like a chain letter, doesn't it?), check to make sure that the link to them has a URL query string with something about you. A link like

<a href="http://www.theothersite.com">The Other Site</a>

may help them (if sites have similar business), but doesn't necessarily have anything to help them create a link back to you. On the other hand, if the resulting link is something like

<a href="http://www.theothersite.com/links.php?mysite=http://www.mysite.com&myarea=spain+city+torremolinos+...">The Other Site</a>

they have the information at hand to make a link back to you. (Yes, I know, some of the punctuation in the UQS needs to be escaped with %xx hex codes.) Now that I think about it, there might be other ways to accomplish this (HTTP REFERER?). At any rate, check them out after the promised length of time and see if they ever did get around to creating a link back to you. Be sure to "exercise" those links once or twice to make sure that they actually do get a hit from you (and get the information to make a link back).

Finally, don't forget to do all the other things that can lead to good rankings: important keywords in domain name, page titles, keyword and description meta tags, headers, body text, image alt and title attributes, etc. Text, not graphics! A spider has to be able to read everything and have it make sense. There's more to search engine rankings than just inbound links.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 09:39:40 AM »

Thank you. I shall keep trying.......
Probably a daft question, but should I put description and keyword meta tags in every page, or do the spiders only take notice of those on the index page?
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 08:14:25 PM »

Keyword meta tags are currently out of favor with Google, due to past abuse, but may be useful to other search engines. It doesn't hurt to use one.

I don't know of any reason why a spider wouldn't notice descriptions and keywords on non-index pages. If you only care about getting your Home Page indexed, concentrate on that one. You can even suppress indexing of interior pages with the "noindex, nofollow" robot meta tag. If you want interior pages indexed too, give them the full keyword treatment. It would probably help to have a unique description and keyword set for each page.

Remember not to abuse SE spiders with keyword overload -- if you put in massively repeated keywords or no-show text (e.g., white text on white background), you may be discovered and penalized. Just make sure you honestly mention important keywords a few times in the text and headings and such.

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