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Author Topic: Horizontal Navbar "To Be" or "Not To Be" ?  (Read 715 times)
JohnFortune
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« on: September 10, 2007, 10:12:01 AM »

I have made a website out of xhtml and css I have a horizontal navbar at the top, and a left sided ad bar to below that and then to the right my text.  Pretty standard
                       
                        xhtml structure
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                         | banner               |

                         | horizontal navbar  |
                               
                         | left     text          |
                         | side    text          |
                         | ads     text          |
                         |...       ...             |
                         |...       ...             |
                         
                        |footer...........        |
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As far as SEO, from what I have learned my text is the last thing a spider will read, and the first thing they will see is my horizontal nav bar, top to bottom.

I really like structure of my webpage and want to keep the horizontal navbar, but everyone keeps saying use a left sided nav bar.

Is there a way so I can set my page up in css so a spider read banner then text first, and then the left side ad bar after that the nav bar ( that would be physically at the top )

Thanks John Welcome
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 11:04:56 AM »

You can use absolute positioning of your elements and arrange the contents of your xhtml in any order you'd like. There are a few disadvantages but it would accomplish your goal.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 01:03:02 PM »

And having the spider go through the links first is bad beacuse?

Well, I guess I can see one possibility in that it could explore the links before the page content.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 01:28:18 PM »

But even if it visits the links first, the results are not stored chronologically... each site is worth the placement it has because of things like content and links, not whose page the spider saw first.

I like one expert's advice that I heard once - design for people, not search engines.  If the search engines dictated horizontal versus vertical nav bars then we'd be in a cookie cutter world for sure.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 05:56:41 PM »


First post thanks, I will see if relitive positioning will do it, absolute won't work for me, but it get me on the right track.  Very Happy

Second reply, You want your content spidered first! That is pretty clear!   In Heaven

Third reply, I thought it was really clear I am trying to design for people that is why I want the horizotial nav but want it to show last, so my spider will hit the copy first!  Confused  Best of both worlds...   Applause

If anyone can help with my question please reply...

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 08:57:33 PM »

Without knowing how many links you have on your page, or what kind of anchor text you have, trying to give SEO suggestions is iffy.

Right nav works well for SEO. Can't claim that it is better than left nav, but it's no worse. Naturally, this puts the content up higher in the code. It is not uncommon to see navigation in places other than the left side, but it might not be so easy to actually sit up and take notice of it. Visitors don't so much see these things as just use them, unless you hide the stuff so obscurely that they get annoyed. You can see right nav on sites such as Matt Cutts' blog and Google Groups. As for a horizontal bar, if the number of links is only a handful, then they aren't so much "in the way."  I would be more concerned about whether they were redundant. It is doubtful that redundant links help SEO.

I don't think the placement of content higher is as important as the sheer number and repetitiveness of link anchor text. If a lot of your links have the same keyword repeated, then that won't help for SEO. Doing that could eventually begin to verge on over-optimization. A little repetition goes a long way.

Also, if you keep adding links to many pages on every page, thematic relevance could get blurred. You would think that the search engine would know the difference between content and navigation, but it doesn't always differentiate.

When you move nav down in the code, you are trying to soften the influence it has on page relevance. Whether that needs to be done depends on the anchor text  you've got. It wouldn't have the same effect for every site. If your nav link text is either very dense with a keyword, or if it is cluttered with too many unrelated ones, then pushing navigation lower in the code might be helpful, but not so much you could forget all about managing anchor text in general.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2007, 10:00:09 AM »

I wouldn't sweat over the placement of the navigation bar. Remember, that as people learn to "game" the system, Google just keeps changing the rules (the search result placement algorithms). Things you learned to do a few years ago to improve search engine results are absolute no-no's today, and vice-versa. Just concentrate on making your pages useful to humans, and follow a few simple rules (such as use text and don't lock up everything in graphics or Flash that the robots can't read), and leave it at that.
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