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afijiholiday
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« on: August 15, 2007, 05:13:39 PM »

Bula all,
I have a web site with a PR of 3. I am a little disappointed that this hasn't improved for a long time. Then I read, that because I am located in far away New Zealand with only a small population that I can't expect much more than a 3??  I can't believe this would have any effect really and wonder if anyone else knows anything about this please.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 07:43:51 PM »

I would think a page rank of 3 for a small site such as yours is actually quite good. As you are hosting in the US, I do not think your NZ location would really be a factor. You might do somewhat better if you used more descriptive terms in your image attributes (alt & title).
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 08:34:46 PM »

Bula Wektech,
Thanks for your fast reply.
I apprciate your kind words about my current PR.

Also can you help me understand your comments by explaining
further what you mean by "image attributes (alt & title)" all a bit
over my head some of this jargon ( but I am willing to learn) 
 
Your input much appreciated.
Cheers,
Grant.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 05:00:32 AM »

When you rollover an image, Internet Explorer will display the "alt" attribute text, while Firefox will more properly display the text in the "title" attribute of the img tag. Search engines look at the text in these attributes when guaging the pages content. You are using rather generic text such as "click to enlarge","family photo" and "poolside" as alt attributes while not including title attributes at all. As search engines can not view the actual image, using descriptive text allows them to "see" the image. So look at the image text attributes as an opportunity to enhance your content.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 07:43:05 AM »

 Doh - How could I have overlooked that??? Thanks for posting that, got me some "alt taggin" to do!

You might do somewhat better if you used more descriptive terms in your image attributes (alt & title).
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 08:17:51 AM »

I guess it is worth mentioning that browsers designed for the visually impaired will also benefit from proper use of text descriptions. In fact visually impaired is a good description of a search engine.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 06:31:53 PM »

When you rollover an image, Internet Explorer will display the "alt" attribute text, while Firefox will more properly display the text in the "title" attribute of the img tag.

A clarification: The alt="descriptive text" attribute is supposed to be used only when graphics are not to be displayed -- screenreaders for the visually impaired, search engine spiders, or just plain graphics turned off for speed. The title="descriptive text" attribute is supposed to be displayed only when you hover your mouse pointer over the image (or link or many other items), a.k.a. a "tooltip".

Surprise, surprise, MS IE up through 6 (at least, I don't know about 7) does it wrong. If you have an alt= tag but no title= tag, IE will display the alt text for a title when you hover over the image. Therefore, if you have an alt= attribute, you should always have a title= attribute too, even if it's empty (title=""). This will keep IE from displaying the alt= text as a tooltip. There's no reason you can't have the same text for alt and title, but they will usually be a bit different.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 03:26:56 AM »

To phrase it differently, if an image has a title property, both IE and Firefox will display it. If the image has no title property, IE will display the alt instead, if it has one. Firefox displays nothing. Thus IE does a better job of using the available information to display something descriptive when the circumstances aren't perfect.  Razz

The image will be the most usable for the most people (and search engines) if you have both a title and an alt property, even if they are the same and seem redundant.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 08:34:09 AM »

Thus IE does a better job of using the available information to display something descriptive when the circumstances aren't perfect.  Razz

Eh, I would hesitate to put "IE" and "better job" in the same sentence!  Hypno  MS deliberately chose to flout industry standards by displaying alt text as a tooltip, leading to who knows how much confusion on the part of page designers. So, alt text with no title results in more stuff being displayed than with Firefox -- I'd hesitate to call that better. Now, maybe if W3C declared that title=* meant "use the same text for the tooltip/title as for alt"...
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2007, 02:32:01 PM »

Unless you are selling links on your site or blog posts PageRank matters very little.  The real thing you should be concerned about is where your site comes up in the Search Engine Results Page (SERP). 

In other words, if someone types in keywords that are related to your site in the search engine (Google in this case), will they find your site?  The higher your position in the SERPs, the more likely that they will click on your link in the search engine results page.  Most people don't go more than two pages in and usually just what comes up on the first 5 listings on the first page of the SERP. 

If you are doing your SEO (search engine optimization) well then you will come up very high on the SERP.

The big factors, as you may know, is:

Backlinks from related sites, especially sites that rank highly for your keywords

Good content - keep your content fresh, updated frequently, and with plenty of keywords.

A site that is easy to crawl for the search engine spiders, preferably using non-dynamic url's. 

Most importantly, a site that is easy to navigate for your visitors. 

You best bet is to focus on content and building links from related sites. 

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 01:56:10 PM »

USA's right.  In my case if you search for Key West Church the #3 entry (behind 2 directories about Key West itself) is my church site.  The PR is only 2.  Does that bother me?  No.  If someone is here looking for a church they'll find us first.  The same is true of our daycare - we are #2 and the PR is 3.  I wouldn't worry about PR but rather SERPs as was mentioned. 

Even the experts are still fighting about what PR really means - everything from being "THE ultimate indicator" to being "a subterfuge by Google that means absolutely nothing so we waste time on PR and won't figure out their algorithm".
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