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cjh
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« on: June 16, 2008, 09:31:11 AM »

In February, I created small, simple sites for two clients. One of them is just a home page and a contact page; I hadn't even included meta keywords or description because I was waiting for feedback from the client before finishing the site. It began showing up in search engines within a couple of weeks, without my doing anything.

The other site, www.pvhardwoods.com, has a good meta description and keywords that are actually used on the page. I have used terms that people would be likely to search for in the text on the home page, but have not done anything to artificially populate the page with those terms. I have submitted it twice using LP's Simple Submission. Still, after all this time, the site has not been indexed by a single search engine, and my client is getting quite frustrated.

We aren't trying to draw thousands of people to the site, but if someone searches for a product the client offers, it needs to show up in the results.

Can anyone think of a reason why one site showed up right away, but the other is apparently not being found after four months?

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 05:10:09 PM »

Anyone???
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 11:15:04 PM »

Is the one that is showing up more of a niche market? Less competition? Meta tags aren`t that important to search engines these days.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 04:16:15 AM »

I do know that meta tags don't make so much difference any more -- I didn't use them at all on the first site and only added keywords to the second site after it hadn't been indexed in three months.

The first site is for a more specific market because it's a local business, so people would do a search for this particular type of business in this particular town. I know that helps in the search engine results.

What I don't understand, though, is why the other site hasn't been indexed at all by a single search engine after four months. It's not that it doesn't show up in the first couple of pages in search results -- it doesn't show up at all, anyplace. As I said, the text on the home page contains the terms that people would be most likely to search for, but I haven't padded the site in any way.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 10:40:48 PM »

Hi cjh,

Definitively you're right  to be worried about indexing issue, four month it's too much time. You better take urgent actions.

Subscribe to google webmasters tools and follow all they recommend. Like to submit a sitemap and create a robots.txt file. Just follow the tour:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/tour/tour1.html

That might not solve your problem but will help you to find the problem. If the problem persist, post in this google group and you will find good hands to help you:

http://groups.google.com/group/Google_Webmaster_Help-Indexing/topics

Good luck and hope you solve this problem soon!!
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 12:55:49 AM »

Get some decent quality links pointing to the site. Links are the key here.

I started a Lupe Fiasco blog (check my sig) and it got listen in Google within 1-2 days. I pointed a few links to it from my existing websites and that did the trick.

From what I've heard, Google requires at least one incoming link for websites to keep their listing.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 04:30:44 AM »

Thanks, everyone, for your great suggestions. I especially appreciate the link to google webmaster tools, which I didn't even know about.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 02:39:09 PM »

Also you have this:

<style type="text/css">
<!--
.style1 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
color: #666666;
}
-->
</style>
The element named above was found in a context where it is not allowed. This could mean that you have incorrectly nested elements -- such as a "style" element in the "body" section instead of inside "head".

I got it from validation, might be bots get confounded and skip your pages. Try to fix it as well.

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 05:36:51 AM »

Thanks, speculumcm. That style element was for a library item. I've deleted the library item altogether and the page validates without any errors now.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 09:29:59 PM »

You're welcome!

Hope soon your pages get indexed.  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 11:29:12 PM »

Hey cjh!

The site www.pvhardwoods.com has already been indexed, looK:

http://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=es&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=eug&q=site%3Apvhardwoods.com&btnG=Buscar&meta=

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 05:21:33 AM »

Thanks, speculumcm! Late last night, I googled their name and discovered that the site had finally been indexed -- fun to see it in Google Mexico, too! Thanks for taking such an interest in this.

I don't know if it was correcting the validation error or using Google Webmaster Tools, but something really worked fast. I very much appreciate the help offered by everyone here. My client is going to be very happy.
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 04:41:30 AM »

This is probably a noob kind of a question, but maybe someone can explain this to me: even though the site is now showing up in google search results, when I use LP's Indexed Pages Checker Tool, it still shows zero pages being indexed on all of the search engines, including google.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 08:15:19 AM »

The easiest and fastest way to check how many pages of your website has been indexed it's writing in google search field site:yourdomain and you'll get something like this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awww.pvhardwoods.com&btnG=Search

I haven't used LP's Indexed Pages Checker Tool, so I don't know why it's showing that. But even seoQuaker tool it's showing three pages've been indexed from your site. If you use FF you can use that usefull add-ons:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3036

And I definitively think that your problem indexation was cause of the error showed in your source code. You fixed it and your site got indexed.

BTW, you haven't submit a sitemap in the google webmaster tool. Some times that speed up the indexation of the entire website. It's just like an aid to bots. If you don't know how to do it just go to this link for more info:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34654&query=sitemap&topic=&type=

Please also read this guide lines:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769&hl=en_GB

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2008, 08:23:17 AM »

Oh! I forget, also go to:

http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_search_engine_optimization/where_to_submit-t4834.0.html

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