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« on: July 16, 2008, 02:02:33 PM » |
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Looking at the components page in Plesk and I noticed there were some components that begin with psa-*****. Are these the related to Plesk add-on stuff? If I installed Spam Assassin separately, I assume the components that are Plesk add-ons will not be updated with the version number? Thanks.
Peter Choi
smaxintercoolers.com
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perestrelka
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 09:15:44 AM » |
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Hi Peter,
Indeed, the psa- packages are rpms with required and addon parts of Plesk. This means that Plesk provides pre-defined packages for addons and if you install a separate version of the same software this may cause problems and not interact correctly with Plesk.
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smaxwest
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 10:09:48 AM » |
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That shouldn't inhibit the installation of software correct? I hope?
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perestrelka
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 05:09:00 AM » |
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That shouldn't inhibit the installation of software correct? I hope?
Depends on various factors, such as what is provided by software package as per developers who created them and where they install the files. The definetely answer for specific package can be obtained only after install attempt. But bear in mind, if you have a package installed with plesk and intstall a similar package from other source, this may break one of them or even the both. |
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smaxwest
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2008, 10:37:19 AM » |
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But bear in mind, if you have a package installed with plesk and intstall a similar package from other source, this may break one of them or even the both.
If i wanted to use SpamAssassin, but didn't want to pay for the Plesk add-on pack (don't need Cold-fusion, etc..) then I could possibly break Plesk and/or render SpamAssassin unusable? Or are you saying that if I installed it via Plesk and tried to update SpamAssassin outside of Plesk, it could cause damage? It seems Plesk is bloated the minute we get it and using Plesk restricts VPS users in a very bad way. |
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perestrelka
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 02:02:56 AM » |
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First of all, are we talking about the possiblity to use SpamAssassin with Plesk without purchasing antispam addon or about upgrading the SpamAssassin on a server using the addon along with SpamAssassin that comes with distributive installed on the server?
There is a way to setup SpamAssassin without Plesk addon. But this means you won't be able to manage it using Plesk as well as it is possible that upgrading Plesk, the setup you did to include antispam checks into mail delivery process will stop working or otherwise will be preventing Qmail from mail delivery as new rpms can contain new configs changing the old behavour. That's why you should be very careful implementing that but, again, it is possible.
Plesk as other server control panels is intended to make the server administration easier and available for users without big experience in server administration. Those are why its developers must use some configuration templates and rather restricted way of setup and what they get the money for. If Plesk would be allowing to do anything, it wouldn't be different from shell on the server where everything should be done by the user.
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smaxwest
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 01:22:03 PM » |
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First of all, are we talking about the possiblity to use SpamAssassin with Plesk without purchasing antispam addon or about upgrading the SpamAssassin on a server using the addon along with SpamAssassin that comes with distributive installed on the server?
There is a way to setup SpamAssassin without Plesk addon. But this means you won't be able to manage it using Plesk as well as it is possible that upgrading Plesk, the setup you did to include antispam checks into mail delivery process will stop working or otherwise will be preventing Qmail from mail delivery as new rpms can contain new configs changing the old behavour. That's why you should be very careful implementing that but, again, it is possible.
Plesk as other server control panels is intended to make the server administration easier and available for users without big experience in server administration. Those are why its developers must use some configuration templates and rather restricted way of setup and what they get the money for. If Plesk would be allowing to do anything, it wouldn't be different from shell on the server where everything should be done by the user.
I'm talking about bypassing the cost to pay for components I don't need. I just wanted to install SpamAssassin and I don't want or need the other components that come along with the Power Pack. There seems to be no option other than getting all of the fluff, when you just need one piece. I don't think anyone in their right mind will want to spend $180 a year ($15/year) for spam protection, which one would have to pay with the Power Pack. On top of paying the $120 a year for the Plesk license. I don't know if LP is being a little vague on this matter ( http://www.lunarforums.com/lunarpages_vps_hosting/problems_using_spamassassin_with_qmail-t42767.0.html), but it seems that Plesk will break unless you ONLY use the SpamAssassin provided by Parallels or there is a way and LP is not letting on to that fact to sell us Power Packs. If that is the case, then I would rather have Plesk removed and I'll have something else installed. Or maybe it's just time to look for another host. |
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perestrelka
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 10:21:09 PM » |
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Smaxwest,
It is possible to install SA separately from Plesk as it was mentioned in the previous post and was never said otherwise. There were warnings given about what consequences such setup may have as good linux administration skills are required for setup and maintain it. Lunarpages do not administer dedicated or VPS servers and do not care about what and how is installed on them while it is compatible with California law. Thus, it is up to you if you setup SA separately from Plesk or switch from Plesk to cPanel where it spam protection is included by default.
If you will be able to get SpamAssassin working in Plesk without purchasing power pack, this howto will be warm welcomed by other forum members, I am sure.
Please advise, if you have any further questions or concerns.
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smaxwest
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2008, 10:19:46 AM » |
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Vlad,
"There were warnings given about what consequences such setup may have as good linux administration skills are required for setup and maintain it."
"There is a way to setup SpamAssassin without Plesk addon. But this means you won't be able to manage it using Plesk as well as it is possible that upgrading Plesk, the setup you did to include antispam checks into mail delivery process will stop working or otherwise will be preventing Qmail from mail delivery as new rpms can contain new configs changing the old behavour. That's why you should be very careful implementing that but, again, it is possible."
I don't mean to be rude, but "no-duh." I never wanted to use SA WITH Plesk. I just wanted to make sure Plesk wouldn't interfere with anything else I was doing. I already have PHP and MySQL updated from the base install version and a few other scripts running on my sites. NONE of which required me to use Plesk except for the basic server and domain setup stuff. I think you need to read my original question a little more carefully. I just wanted to verify the psa- files weren't going to cause any problems and I just wanted to verify that Plesk wasn't going interfere with SA. If SA was never mentioned in Plesk, I would have never asked. But because it is, I wanted to make sure there wouldn't be any problems.
"Lunarpages do not administer dedicated or VPS servers and do not care about what and how is installed on them ..."
So here's the next question. Who does the physical upgrade of Plesk? LP or me? Is every update a required update? What if the new version of Plesk completely destroys my install of SA and I'm forced to use the SA add-ons, who will pay for that?
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perestrelka
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 01:47:09 AM » |
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I don't mean to be rude, but "no-duh." I never wanted to use SA WITH Plesk. I just wanted to make sure Plesk wouldn't interfere with anything else I was doing. I already have PHP and MySQL updated from the base install version and a few other scripts running on my sites. NONE of which required me to use Plesk except for the basic server and domain setup stuff. I think you need to read my original question a little more carefully. I just wanted to verify the psa- files weren't going to cause any problems and I just wanted to verify that Plesk wasn't going interfere with SA. If SA was never mentioned in Plesk, I would have never asked. But because it is, I wanted to make sure there wouldn't be any problems. I apologize for misunderstanding. Plesk uses SA that gets installed under /usr/local/psa with psa package. The psa-spamassasin rpm contains only files required to start the daemon and manage it. This means, Plesk does not interfere with system SA which you can try to connect to mail system. So here's the next question. Who does the physical upgrade of Plesk? LP or me? Is every update a required update? What if the new version of Plesk completely destroys my install of SA and I'm forced to use the SA add-ons, who will pay for that? Server management and upgrades are handled by the customer except Managed Hosting Intense. If you have this addon and there are upgrades required to be performed to your server, you will be emailed a few days before the upgrade is scheduled, so you have a time to cancel the upgrade or inform admins about custom configuration made to the server that may be affected. |
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