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« on: May 12, 2007, 02:28:53 AM »

I currently have an Enterprise plan and since I'm in much need of more space (only have 70 mb left of the 2 Gb), I like to upgrade to VPS. Now I get a reply from Helpdesk what software I would like. I googled up some but most I have no idea what it is. Also some other questions.

So what is:

Cold Fusion
Analog
Autoresponder
Awstats
phpAdsNew
phpPGadmin (PostGreSQL reqd.)
phpMyAdmin
PostGreSQL
Zend Optimizer
Java
Tomcat (Java reqd.)

To the other questions: Does VPS have a File Manager like Cpanel? I don't use ftp and find File Manager very easy to use.

And what's a Plesk Power Pack?

And what is managed hosting services?

Also, I have a rather large phpBB forum. Somewhere in this forum I read that I need to re-create my forum from scratch??? I don't have the knowledge to do that! Can't they just copy the databases? I also have 2 other databases in use. A guestbook and a chatroom.

I'm really not sure if the VPS is a good idea. My site, although quite popular (average of 10.000 uniques a day) does not use many resources. I really only need more space. More speed is always welcome and I'm willing to go for VPS but not if this will give me alot of trouble.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 06:12:56 AM »

Hi Snooty,

Let me to try to reply on your questions to help make a decision.

As for the addition software offered, if you don't know what an item is and what it does, more than likely you don't need it. I would recommend to choose phpMyAdmin, a web tool to manage MySQL databases. The same is included in cPanel.

If you like to spend some time reviewing who visited your site and which pages are most pupular, you may also choose Analog or Awstats. The both are web analytics reporting tool.

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To the other questions: Does VPS have a File Manager like Cpanel? I don't use ftp and find File Manager very easy to use.

Plesk has a file manger build-in. It is a bit better that cPanel one per my opinion.

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And what's a Plesk Power Pack?

Please Power Pack is a bundle of the SpamAssassin, Application Pack, Helpdesk, Tomcat, ColdFusion, and PostgreSQL addons that integrate the above programs into Plesk.

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And what is managed hosting services?

Managed services addon for VPS includes:

  • Up to date notifications of exploits on popular third party software
    Monitoring of your server through Lunarpages' internal monitoring to

I would highly recommend to choose it if your site availability is critical.

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Also, I have a rather large phpBB forum. Somewhere in this forum I read that I need to re-create my forum from scratch??? I don't have the knowledge to do that! Can't they just copy the databases? I also have 2 other databases in use. A guestbook and a chatroom.

We can upload and import your databases, but all other configurations and scripts upload is your responsibility. We can assist with the move, but there would be additional charges involved. The price will be $75/hour.

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I'm really not sure if the VPS is a good idea. My site, although quite popular (average of 10.000 uniques a day) does not use many resources. I really only need more space. More speed is always welcome and I'm willing to go for VPS but not if this will give me alot of trouble.

VPS is very good for those who needs custom software installed or as a transitional step for future upgrade to a dedicated server. If your usage stats are acceptable for the basic or business plans, you may consider switching to one of them. They recently got a huge disk space increase for the accounts using the space for web site purposes. Email support@lunarpages.com to get your current resource utilization and advise if it would be allowed on the shared account.

If you have any further questions, please advise.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 08:11:23 AM »

Thanks for the big reply. After reviewing all this, I think it's better to go for the Business plan. The unlimited storage sounds very good and it's almost twice as cheap as my current plan.

As my site continues to grow rapidly, who knows, in the future I may go for the VPS plan, but as for know, it's too big a step.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 09:17:47 AM »

I'll second perestrelka's statement that if you don't know what something is, you don't need it. However, if you're curious about these items, on the chance they might be useful to you...

  • Cold Fusion  -  An application server and development system.
  • Analog  - Web visitor statistics.
  • Autoresponder  - Automatic email response: "Thank you for writing to ____. Some drone will get back to you when they wake up..."
  • Awstats  - Web visitor statistics.
  • phpAdsNew  - Not sure, sounds like some kind of ad presentation system (on rotation).
  • phpPGadmin (PostGreSQL reqd.)  - PostGreSQL database administration GUI.
  • phpMyAdmin  - MySQL database administration GUI.
  • PostGreSQL  - An SQL database similar to MySQL, MSSQL, DB2, Oracle, etc.
  • Zend Optimizer  - Something to speed up PHP operations.
  • Java  - A programming language that can be used to send mini-applications ("applets") to a visitor's browser, or can be used with JSP (Java Server Pages) to script pages on the server (like PHP or Perl can do).
  • Tomcat (Java reqd.)  - Another application server/development system, involving Java and (I think) PHP. From Apache.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2007, 11:05:25 AM »


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Also, I have a rather large phpBB forum. Somewhere in this forum I read that I need to re-create my forum from scratch??? I don't have the knowledge to do that! Can't they just copy the databases? I also have 2 other databases in use. A guestbook and a chatroom.

We can upload and import your databases, but all other configurations and scripts upload is your responsibility. We can assist with the move, but there would be additional charges involved. The price will be $75/hour.
No matter what I do, my serverload seems to be stuck at 2% (and only 1% is allowed), I may need to go for VPS after all.
Moving the site is no problem, I don't have any scripts or database things, but the forum is my main concern. If you upload and import my forum's database, and the whole site gets moved (including the forumdata - like themes, smilies,etc), then would that work? Or do I need to re-install the forum?

Also, I have 2 add-on domains (very small sites) that ofcourse must be moved with it as well. Will that go automatically?

Is a serverload of 2% acceptable and if so, what is actually the limit?

Does VPS has squirel mail? And if not, what about all my saved emails?
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2007, 01:11:56 AM »

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Moving the site is no problem, I don't have any scripts or database things, but the forum is my main concern. If you upload and import my forum's database, and the whole site gets moved (including the forumdata - like themes, smilies,etc), then would that work? Or do I need to re-install the forum?

Yes, after the move you will get a working site and no installs or re-installs will be needed.

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Also, I have 2 add-on domains (very small sites) that ofcourse must be moved with it as well. Will that go automatically?

Plesk does not have have addon domain feature. Instead each separate site should be created as  a separate domain. Your addon domains will not be transfered automatically and their content should be transfered separately.

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Is a serverload of 2% acceptable and if so, what is actually the limit?

2% of CPU usage on shared server is acceptable for VPS. However, please also ensure that the memory usage is below 5% for your account in shared environment. More than 5% of memory usage may cause stability issues and slowness for the site.

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Does VPS has squirel mail? And if not, what about all my saved emails?

Plesk does not has SquirrelMail and users only Horde for Webmail.  You will need to move your emails manually after email account creation by moving them through two IMAP accounts configured in email client on your computer.

Please advise if you have any additional questions.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2007, 06:24:53 AM »

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Yes, after the move you will get a working site and no installs or re-installs will be needed.
That's good to hear.

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Plesk does not have have addon domain feature. Instead each separate site should be created as  a separate domain. Your addon domains will not be transfered automatically and their content should be transfered separately.
How does that work? As said, they're only small sites with just a few html pages (though lots of pictures), moving them myself shouldn't be a big problem.

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2% of CPU usage on shared server is acceptable for VPS. However, please also ensure that the memory usage is below 5% for your account in shared environment. More than 5% of memory usage may cause stability issues and slowness for the site.
Well according to my last tech report, my memory usage is currently 2.74% so I should be fine.

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Plesk does not has SquirrelMail and users only Horde for Webmail.  You will need to move your emails manually after email account creation by moving them through two IMAP accounts configured in email client on your computer.
I have absolutely no idea how that works, so if I'm going to move, I will just save some important mails to a txt file or something.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2007, 12:15:04 PM »

I don't think moving to a VPS is a really good idea if you are getting that kinda traffic. VPS don't really have the resources for high ammounts of DB access. I would suggest going to a dedicated II.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2007, 09:36:34 PM »

I don't think moving to a VPS is a really good idea if you are getting that kinda traffic. VPS don't really have the resources for high ammounts of DB access. I would suggest going to a dedicated II.

Hope this helps.

This subject is under discussion. Sites with 2% of CPU and Memory usages on shared server more than likely will work fine on VPS. A dedicated I server looks enough for such accounts, dedicated II option appears to be too powerful and would be wasting of money unless the site owner is expecting increase of popularity in the nearest feature.

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Plesk does not have have addon domain feature. Instead each separate site should be created as  a separate domain. Your addon domains will not be transfered automatically and their content should be transfered separately.
How does that work? As said, they're only small sites with just a few html pages (though lots of pictures), moving them myself shouldn't be a big problem.

You will need just create a domain for each of those sites in Plesk and then upload your html pages. This will be really easy.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2007, 12:50:24 AM »

I don't think moving to a VPS is a really good idea if you are getting that kinda traffic. VPS don't really have the resources for high ammounts of DB access. I would suggest going to a dedicated II.
Thank you all for the quick replies. As for the 'high amounts of DB access'; My site does not run on a database. It only has a (fairly small) phpbb forum. I don't really know where this high resource suddenly comes from, but I doubt that it will increase much in the future.
Anyway, got some more questions:

- I sometimes read here about 'rebooting the server'. What is that all about? Does that have to be done occasionally? And if another site on that server is rebooting, will my site be offline then?

- If there are upgrades for a specific piece of software, like Plesk, will you do that or is that my job? I'm not that technical but I don't want to risk having a security leak.

- What about Cpanel? In the VPS FAQ it has multiple topics about it but I think I read somewhere it's not an option?

- Is the PHPmyadmin about the same as in Cpanel? I need to change some things in there soon (because of adding a spambot mod for my forum).
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2007, 11:02:10 PM »

Hi,

To reply on your questions:

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As for the 'high amounts of DB access'; My site does not run on a database. It only has a (fairly small) phpbb forum. I don't really know where this high resource suddenly comes from, but I doubt that it will increase much in the future.

phpBB uses a database so you have at least one database on your site Wink.

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I sometimes read here about 'rebooting the server'. What is that all about? Does that have to be done occasionally? And if another site on that server is rebooting, will my site be offline then?

Reboot is the last option to return a server to normal function when it becomes unresponsive. Regular  server reboots can be an indication that the server is overloaded or have faulty hardware. In case of VPS, it can be only excessive resources utilization.

VPS servers are independent from each other and so your VPS does not go down when other customer restarts their server.


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If there are upgrades for a specific piece of software, like Plesk, will you do that or is that my job? I'm not that technical but I don't want to risk having a security leak.

It will be your responsibility to maintain software on your VPS. Plesk can be configured to download and apply security patches automatically. Our assistance with software updating or configuration would cost $75 per hour.

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What about Cpanel? In the VPS FAQ it has multiple topics about it but I think I read somewhere it's not an option?

We took out cPanel from the options available for VPS as some customers had stability issues with it. Plesk appears to be more suitable for virtual environment. We can install cPanel on VPS, although we can't guarantee that it will be running quiet.

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Is the PHPmyadmin about the same as in Cpanel? I need to change some things in there soon (because of adding a spambot mod for my forum).

PhpMyAdmin will be the same in Plesk and cPanel because it is a 3rd party product included in to the both panels.

I hope this helps.
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