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« on: July 02, 2008, 01:23:53 PM »

So I signed up for Windows shared hosting a few months ago.  Through a one month testing period, and another month live, I connected to the SQL server database remotely.  When talking to tech support about various issues it was made clear how I was connecting to the database, and at one point they even gave me recommendations on software I could use to import remotely.

Two weeks ago they shut off my ability to connect remotely because "it was a glitch" and shouldn't have been allowed in the first place.

My hosting is now worthless to me, as the SQL web admin stuff they have through Plesk is absolutely unusable for what I do.  I went back and forth with tech support and eventually they just said "too bad, can't help you"

There is a lot of expense that goes into transfering a live website.  The website is my job, and how I make a living..  transferring websites around takes a lot of time.  I went through a one month testing period to make sure I wouldn't have to move again..  this after testing for a month each on two other hosts that I ruled out.

So my options are move again or pay 5x more for hosting.

Apparently VPS hosting is a self-managed sort of thing..  On top of everything else I do I have to become a server admin (which isn't made clear on the sales portion of the website, only when reading posts in the forums).  If I don't want to be a server admin I have to pay even more for the hosting?

I get sucked in to what I percieve to be a perfect situation at a good price only to have it pulled out from under me and presented with an alternative that costs 6X more.

Thanks.  I guess.

As angry as this post seems (it seems angry because it is), there is a legitimate question:  What am I suppose to do?
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 01:37:29 PM »

Hello, I have moved this over to our VPS hosting section of the forums for you.  What is it that you would like to do from this point on?  From the sound of it, it doesn't sound like you want to do what support said.  Also could you give us your support ticket so I could check things out form that side and hopefully paint a better picture for myself here of the situation?  Thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 02:02:02 PM »

Support didn't say to "do" anything.  Support said (and I'm paraphrasing, and perhaps editorializing)  I'm sorry you've spent so much time and money transferring your website to our hosting under the impression that the method you have used (and the only reasonable method) for maintaining your database we will no longer allow you to use.  It was our fault, you shouldn't have been able to remotely connect to the database before, and we're sorry that you relied on that when setting everything up. 

That was basically it.  They didn't even suggest VPS.  That was sales when I called them.  When I was testing I avoided hosting providers that would not let me connect remotely..   and here I am.  I'll post a ticket number when I get back in.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 09:26:34 PM »

Ticket: 838814

Are my options only to either pay $10/month for service that is sufficient to meet the technical needs of my website, but entirely useless for maintaining my website, or $60/month for overkill (way overkill) on the technical side, but at least I can maintain my website.   Or I have to move to a new host, again.

All three options suck..  But you've set it up so that the most efficient one for me nets you the most money.

(yes, I'm cynical, and yes I'm a bit bitter.)
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2008, 04:11:47 AM »

Hi FarquarQuoc,

I am sorry to hear about this situation. Although what would be our live, if we don't have make choices. Have you tried the MyLittleAdmin scripts at http://lesuth.lunarpages.com/mylittleadmin3/ which has much more functionality than the web MSSQL management script provided with Plesk?
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 06:54:06 AM »

Hi FarquarQuoc,

I am sorry to hear about this situation. Although what would be our live, if we don't have make choices.

This is an awfully dismissive and flippant statement.  The point is I signed up and tested with remote SQL access.  I wouldn't have gone live here (wouldn't have even gotten past the first day of testing) without remote SQL access.  Now I'm live, and one of the most important features for the management has been taken away.  If lunar hadn't screwed up I wouldn't be making this choice.


Have you tried the MyLittleAdmin scripts at http://lesuth.lunarpages.com/mylittleadmin3/ which has much more functionality than the web MSSQL management script provided with Plesk?

myLittleAdmin is useless.  I have a 260,000 record product table.  Lets say I want to update prices and quantity for a small subset of 200 of those 260,000.  With remote access I just pull up SQL server management, query the table with the set name to pull up those 200 and it takes only as long as it takes me to retype the price and quantity for each record.  (about 1.5 seconds per record)

With myLittleAdmin, I have to first run a query to get the specific product ID (because when you use a select query your responses are read only.  No modification allowed)  After getting the specific product ID I have to write Update SQL code making sure I get field names and syntax right.  I then have to do this 200 times.  It takes at least 30 seconds per record (thats being conservative).  I'll get nothing done. (and I've gotten nothing done over the past 2 weeks)

 
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 11:39:37 PM »

Hello,

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This is an awfully dismissive and flippant statement.  The point is I signed up and tested with remote SQL access.  I wouldn't have gone live here (wouldn't have even gotten past the first day of testing) without remote SQL access.  Now I'm live, and one of the most important features for the management has been taken away.  If lunar hadn't screwed up I wouldn't be making this choice.

I apologize, if it sounded like that, there was no such intention. Remote access to MSSQL from Internet is disabled on all MSSQL servers setup for shared accounts for security purposes and, when it was found that it is not on the server you use, this was fixed.

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myLittleAdmin is useless.  I have a 260,000 record product table.  Lets say I want to update prices and quantity for a small subset of 200 of those 260,000.  With remote access I just pull up SQL server management, query the table with the set name to pull up those 200 and it takes only as long as it takes me to retype the price and quantity for each record.  (about 1.5 seconds per record)

With myLittleAdmin, I have to first run a query to get the specific product ID (because when you use a select query your responses are read only.  No modification allowed)  After getting the specific product ID I have to write Update SQL code making sure I get field names and syntax right.  I then have to do this 200 times.  It takes at least 30 seconds per record (thats being conservative).  I'll get nothing done. (and I've gotten nothing done over the past 2 weeks)

A lot of scripts for catalogues have a feature to search items by some characteristic for modification. If your example is the only operation you need to have remote MSSQL access for, did you consider realizing the same feature for your site as this appears to be a cheaper solution than upgrading or moving and will allow you to do the modification from any computer even without MSSQL management software as well as program the most frequent updates for quick lunch.
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