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Author Topic: Has anyone used Microsoft Web Expressions for website design?  (Read 1305 times)
mxgirl
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« on: October 28, 2007, 01:30:58 PM »

I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the Front Page forums so feel free to move it if it's in the wrong place.

 I've been reading up on Microsoft's Web Expressions website design software and it has gotten excellent reviews.  Has anyone created a website using Expressions?  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 02:48:32 PM »

I'm looking at Expressions now... and have not decided, yet. 

Anyone with experience please post!
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 10:07:42 AM »

I don't use Web designer programs and I try to avoid Microsoft crap as much as possible, so take the following advice with as many grains of salt as you wish. If you're used to using FrontPage, Expression Web (I think that's the correct name) is similar and might mean a smaller learning curve. If you're new to website design and don't already own EW, I wouldn't bother purchasing any such software, and would use PageMason or CoffeeCup (both free from LP) or some free tools off the Web. The only reason for using EW would be 1) you already bought it, 2) you're heavily invested in FP and other MS tools and feel it would take too long to get up to speed on something else, or 3) you're a tremendous Bill Gates fanboy/fangirl.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 02:41:19 PM »

Hi Mr Phil
I'm signed up for refresher courses in Dreamweaver next month so I'll probably end up going that route.  I've never used FP but would be willing to give Web Ex a try if I were able to get some user feedback from real people.

I know a lot of people say Microsoft is not the answer, but I would not have had the opportunity to get into computers and take it as far as I have without the aid of Microsoft plain and simple.  I'm just a big dummy I guess and need all the help I can get! Yep
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2007, 02:48:23 PM »

Here's what I believe is an unbiased review of Expression Web: http://www.thinkvitamin.com/reviews/css/microsoft-expression-web-designer-final-release/

You can always download the free trial to try it out if you'd like.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2007, 04:03:33 PM »

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You can always download the free trial to try it out if you'd like.
Duh- didn't think of that (told you I was a dummy Surprised)

I read the review but it was written by a developer/really smart person.  I'll try the trial version and see how it goes.  Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 01:02:06 PM »

Expression Web looks and acts a lot like FrontPage without the FrontPage Web Components. If you're familiar with FrontPage or other Microsoft products, the user interface will look very familiar.

Note that LunarPages offers free web site templates installable through Fantastico. These files can then be edited in FrontPage, Expression Web, or other editors (but probably not in the online web-builder type programs.)

To use the free Templates Express templates, install the chosen template in Fantastico, download the files to your computer, edit and modify as desired, and upload (publish) back to the server.
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If you plan to stay with FrontPage, consider upgrading to FrontPage 2003 now.

Search the Microsoft KB for error messages:
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2007, 05:44:43 PM »

I know a lot of people say Microsoft is not the answer, but I would not have had the opportunity to get into computers and take it as far as I have without the aid of Microsoft plain and simple.  I'm just a big dummy I guess and need all the help I can get! Yep

I don't mind MS products being generally oriented towards beginners. What I mind is the violence MS inflicts upon published Web standards and their blind ambition to own 100% of the market by any means necessary. They have a long history of bending the rules to make things non-interoperable with competitors' products, as well as strong-arm monopoly tactics to force everyone to pay for Windows whether or not you intend to use it. They have even been known to put in code to disable or cripple competing products. One can argue that a PC software "monoculture" has been good for getting a PC in front of everyone and reducing development costs for non-MS products, but MS has always been rather unethical in their practices.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 02:09:16 PM »

Hi,

I always forget personal opinions about software...except my own! Ultimately, don't worry about whether Microsoft employees are eating live puppies for breakfast or are planning a nuclear attack on Cambodia, if the software works for you - use it!

Believe me, your customers don't usually care if their website code was ethically created - get the best tools to run your business or project.

Having said all of that, I have had concerns about Microsoft for some time - thinking that FrontPage was never going to mature into anything remotely useful. Expression Web is virtually a carbon copy of Visual Web Developer Express, so don't even bother with Expression Web trials because you'll get 95% of the same experience from Visual Web Developer Express which is full software totally free forever....and Microsoft's Sharepoint Designer is also a twin of both previously mentioned software titles...and all are leading us toward being Visual Studio users, no doubt (another similar interface and the daddy of them all).

And those that opine Dreamweaver may not do so for long with the all-powerful Adobe now at the helm.

And always remember that free or cheap doesn't always mean inexpensive!! Costs can mount where you least expect or envisage them when starting out developing on new software.

Many people get interoperability confused with the notion of 'standards'. Always point your browser at ICANN or W3C, etc for the latest info and SCORM compliance. The same people usually forget that Microsoft created their ODF largely in answer to Adobe not allowing them to use PDF export in Office 2003, even though Acrobat exports to Word (really badly)...and OpenOffice.org are now bellyaching about it...nothing has changed from VHS/BetaMax/BluRay/Whatever and nothing will change while there is money to be made out of us technohungry saps...Look at how the corporations took Linux and made it a cash cow!

Personally, I'd rather use Notepad for web developing even though two poodles and an alsation were probably sacrificed in its creation!

Whichever program you choose - have fun and all your works will be masterpieces.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 01:47:01 PM »

Thanks for the opinions.  I'll probably do an about-face and go with Dreamweaver.  I'm somewhat familiar with DW4 and my local community college offers night classes on DW CS3 which started on Monday.  There's def a bit of a learining curve with CS3, but at least some of the old DW4 stuff is still there so it's not like I'm starting from point zero..
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