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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2003, 07:58:00 AM »
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Not having a page builder is no problem.

One is being added soon anyway, but they're not really very good to be honest with you!

The Frontpage folder exists on some systems, even when frontpage is not installed.

If you don't know HTML, then installing Frontpage or Dreamweaver is your best option. these will let you create webpages, and have very good help files!

If you search www.download.com you should be able to find some trial software.

There is a lot of html editing software on there, not just dreamweaver and frontpage, but they are the market leaders.

All webdesign packages are compatible with Lunarpages by the way, and we support Frontpage extensions.

Yea the folder is there but nothing in it. To be honest I don't have any real money to blow on programs, a trial versions will get me started but then I'd have purchase it or something.

Do the software packages show or come set up ready to upload, or will I have to sort it out.

My site won't have mcuh to offer anybody (looking at other sites) at least for awhile. So cost and getting my site up and running quickly is the goal. But don't suggest going to a free site, I don't mind paying for better options, you know what I mean!
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2003, 12:46:00 PM »
you can utilize yahoo's page builder, then upload the pages you made to your lunarpages account.  i'm not too sure if the free account page builder is the same as premium page builder at geocities, but using their page builder is still an option.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2003, 07:57:00 PM »
The advantage to Dreamweaver and Frontpage is they allow you to create your page graphicaly without having to know HTML (granted, if you are going to start a web site you should sit down with a HTML 4 book and gain some knowledge, it'll make you life so much easier and HTML is not very hard to learn).

I personaly prefer Dreamweaver because it doesn't add all the mess that Frontpage does, but thats just me. There are otherones out there (CoffeeCup, HotDog,HotMetal,HomeSite,etc) but like Stephan said, DW and FP and the standards.

Creating a site with a page builder will give you a very amateuristic looking site and they are not not very functional for quality page building. Don't settle for less because it's easier, you will get less of a product.

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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2003, 11:48:00 PM »
So could I get a download of Dreamweaver free or trial version? How would I go about uploading my pages from Yahoo to Lunar? How much do basic HTML 4 book go for $$?

I hope you guys haven't minded helping me out. You guys have been so helpful in assisting with my mess of questions. I thank you guys again, and just so you know I've been incouraged, and feel like I've learn a bit from you guys.
Any help and answers would be greatfully appreciated, thanks.

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2003, 12:27:00 AM »
Dreamweaver trials are sometimes on the front of magazines, if you're lucky.

www.macromedia.com is a place where you can download a trial of Dreamweaver MX

A more direct link is here - http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial_download/

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2003, 01:21:00 AM »
Thanks Stephen  "[wink]"
 
 [ January 29, 2003, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: smstevenms ]
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2003, 02:07:00 AM »
Also you can get any HTML book, check Amazon.com or something or your local book store.

The Dreamweaver package has a built in FTp and some pretty insightful tutorials, so you should be able to get up and running fairly quickly. The transfer from Yahoo won't be fun, but it can be done. Easiest way is to copy the files to you local machine and then once you have a hostingprovider, upload them via Dreamweaver to your new site. Be sure the paths and whatnot within the files are correct. Like I said, DW has a pretty good tutorial, so I would suggest taking a look at it and it should help you out considerably.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2003, 03:02:00 AM »
there are a ton of free alternatives on the web to learn html.

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/General/Internet/WWW/HTMLPrimerAll.html

the above link is a good place to start.

i also found the following at the lunarpages faq:

http://www.lunarpages.com/htmlhelp.html

it has a link to 'Lissa explains it all.'  i haven't been there in a while, but it has simple explanations for all those beginner questions.  although geared towards kids,it's a nice site if you don't want to muddle through all the jargon out there.
 
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2003, 03:43:00 AM »
You should try playing with MS FrontPage.  It essentially IS a page builder.  It is absolutely simple.  I am not a programmer, I know no java, html, perl etc.  Just start FrontPage, and do File/New/Webpage.  Select the Corporate Web Page Wizard.  It will ask you a bunch of questions, in a series of "next" boxes, then present you with a box that has a "templates" button on it.  Hit that button and you get a box with a bunch of different template names.  As you click on them you get a preview of the theme.  Select your template, and click finish...FP will build your entire site.  You then just modify, placing logos, pictures, information, etc., wherever you want it.  

You probably want to run the wizard a few times selecting different answers to the questions and different template designs till you find what you like.

And, EVERYTHING is modifiable, so if you don't like one thing about a template, but you like everything else, you can change the one thing you don't like

I never did a site in my life.  I'm 60% done with one that will be usable, and it took me about 5 hours.  It won't be highly sophisticated and flashy, but it will be professional looking and usable.

Try it.  Don't abandon Lunarpages just cuz they don't have a page builder.

I'm not even on lunarpages yet, just submitted a host of questions to them, but if the answers are there, i plan to use them to host the website for my new business.
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2003, 07:27:00 PM »
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Also you can get any HTML book, check Amazon.com or something or your local book store.

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2003, 07:39:00 PM »
The problem I have with FrontPage is it inserts tons of useless crap into your code as well as your directory structure. It works, but a lot of the functions will only work in MSIE, and there are a ton of us now who use alternatives (I use Opera most of the time, peppered in with Mozilla, I use IE for testiing purposes only. Oh and going to sites that you can't access with another browser... that really bothers me!!).

Thats why Dreamweaver I think is a better alternative. Like the old Miller Lite commercials on TV, "Great Taste, Less Filling"  "[Smile]"

Cheers!  "[brows]"

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2003, 08:29:00 PM »
Ok you guys I've been checking out all of these different programs, this is what I've found. MS Frontpage is well into the hundreds of $$, Dreamweaver at least $300.00 to $500.00 (don't have figures in front of me). To be honest if I were or had that kinda of money I'd just go for the best and spend top dollar on something like Flash which is close to $1,000.00. I've been to downloads.com, and I've done many different searches using MSN and Yahoo. There are so many, and so many opinions about them as well. I know not everthing of quality has to cost more, but in this case it's seems it does!  "[scream]"  "[scream]"  "[scream]"

  is a site that has a site builder. It's seperate from the package but only $25 a yr. it's called SiteStudio Web Site Builder. I used the demo like twice, but I don't know how limited the demo is, so I can't what real options I have. I want the ablity to change the layout, background, buttons,etc. using my own stuff, and I can't tell if I can even do this.
Any help and answers would be greatfully appreciated, thanks.

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2003, 09:48:00 PM »
Frontpage Express is free.

It used to come with internet explorer, but doesn't anymore.

Perhaps you can find it on the www.microsoft.com website.

It's a free, cut down version of frontpage.

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2003, 11:52:00 PM »
Oh ok I'll check that out thanks. At this moment I've playing around with this Free download of a version of Flash, FlashBuilder. It's nice but limited, I'm trying to see if I'll beable to tie this into my already exsiting pages at yahoo. If this works this will get me heading in the right direction of a move.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2003, 12:52:00 AM »
Again, look at compatibility. And again, in the web  page design business, regardless if it is for personal or business use, you really do get what you pay for. I have yet to see a site builder type program that doesn't present it's pages in a very amateuristic manner.

Like Stephan said, FrontPage Express is free and I am almost postive you can find it somewhere using a Google search. I would say play with the demo for Dreamweaver, it really is the best there is. You may find you like enough to start saving  your pennies for it.

 

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