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Offline mrsean2k

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Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« on: May 23, 2013, 06:56:34 AM »
I'm considering a move to LunarPages for hosting as specific domain, but need a definitive answer on the question of Nameservers.


LunarPages have a "Critical Note" which states:

"In order to use your own domain name at Lunarpages you must change the name servers to the following:..."


I'm content with my current Registrar and Nameservers and won't be changing them. The responses I've had on this so far remain ambiguous.


Can someone from Lunarpages confirm that I do not need to change Nameservers to use those maintained by Lunarpages, but only need to change the appropriate A and / or CNAME using my current registrar's nameservers and control panel?

Or alternatively confirm that is isn't possible?

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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 07:51:49 AM »
There's no problem with using another registrar, but AFAIK you have to change your registration records to point to Lunarpage's own nameservers, e.g., NS6.Lunarpages.com and NS7.Lunarpages.com. LP will tell you the specific nameservers to use.

I don't quite follow the bit about "I'm content with my current ... Nameservers". It's routine to switch nameservers being pointed to when changing hosting. If you're doing something special about subdomains or just email being hosted at LP, that could be a different issue. Then you have to do some funny things with A and CNAME records. You're not being asked to change your registrar, just what nameservers your domain points to. What am I missing here?
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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 08:50:11 AM »
Hi,

I think we have different experiences; I've never been obliged to change nameservers to change hosting, only to amend A / CNAME records for the (sub)domain in question.

I realise I'm not being asked to change registrar - and LP doesn't demand this - but they do appear to demand a change to use them as the authoritative nameserver (and consequently become reliant on their control panel etc. for changes) and that's not something I'm currently prepared to do.

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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 10:27:22 AM »
I pointed at LP's nameservers years ago (from my registrar's control panel) and have never had to use any control panel at LP to manage the domain. I've never heard of having to use an LP control panel, when registered elsewhere. I think either you're getting bad information or are getting confused by terminology. If all you're doing is registering a domain name some place, and hosting the entire domain at LP, I think you simply update where it points to for the nameservers (using your registrar's control panel). At least, that's all I've ever had to do. As I said before, if you want your main site elsewhere, and just a subdomain at LP (or funny stuff like that), it would get a bit more complicated.
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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 12:35:07 PM »
Well I'm always open to the possibility (and in many cases likelihood) that I'm wrong or I've misinterpreted something.

The current setup at my existing registrar is 4 A records pointing to various development / hosting servers with different static addresses, 9 CNAMES again with various destinations, and a bunch of MX records for business gmail.

If I need to add a new subdomain etc. as you'd expect I use the registrars DNS management to create a new A or CNAME record. So this is where I may misinterpret; if I change the authoritative nameservers from the registrars own nameservers to LPs nameservers, where do I then manage the process of adding a subdomain etc.? It's not immediately obvious to me that changing the authoritative servers at my registrar means I can then manage the records on LP from that registrar.

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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 07:02:40 PM »
I don't want to mislead you, so all I can tell you is my own experience. I have a domain registered with a non-LP registrar, and LP provides the hosting. No special services such as the separate hosting of mail, no primary domain at one host and subdomain at another. All I had to do was point my domain registration to the two nameservers that LP specified, and I was in business. I did for a while have some subdomains, and that's handled entirely by LP through cPanel (the control panel they were using at the time). Nothing to do at my domain registrar.

Now, I don't know who you've talked to at LP, what statements/requests you made to them, or what they said to you. It's always possible that there's been a colossal misunderstanding based on using somewhat different terminology. Also, LP has offered packages where they supply the domain name registration (via Tucows) -- that may be what you saw in the Critical Note (you want to use a domain name registered elsewhere, rather than get one through LP). I suspect that the wording is a bit ambiguous, and when they say "change the name servers to..." they really mean "change the name servers that your registration is pointing to...". Is this Critical Note online somewhere where I could read it?

I don't think it's standard terminology to refer to the control panel at your registrar as the "name server", if that's what you're doing. The domain control panel will indicate, among other things, where the domain points to (the actual nameservers at the host). Nameservers have no user interface, are controlled by the host, and just redirect traffic to the specific server.
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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 01:52:04 AM »
"I don't think it's standard terminology to refer to the control panel at your registrar as the "name server", if that's what you're doing"


I'm not, and I don't understand why you believe I have. My terms have been consistent, and I believe totally standard and correct;


1) I have a domain, paid for through my current registrar - let's call it ukregistration.net

2) That registrar has a control panel where, amongst other things, I can stipulate which nameservers I want to use as the authoritative nameservers for the domain. The nameservers I use are the default nameservers provided by the registrar themselves, let's call them ns1.ukregistration.net and ns2.ukregistration.net

3) In a different section of the control panel, provided by the registrar, I manage DNS entries for the domain. When I make a change to my DNS entries, the entries on the authoritative nameservers, ns1.ukregistration.net and ns2.ukregistration.net are amended and will be replicated out the rest of the worlds nameservers in due course.

4) One such DNS entry, amended in the registrars control panel, and then stored on the registrars nameservers, is an A record mapping my domain to an IP address - the IP address of the box actually hosting the website, hosting carried out by a totally different and unrelated company (and there are other A records, pointing to various boxes for various services I want to expose)


So I believe I've understood and explicitly used the correct terms. If not in any of the previous comments, please point out so I can be more clear.


The "Critical Note" is part of a welcome email for new hosting - I'm involved after this process was kicked off  but need to ensure *if* they're used a hosts, it doesn't interfere with anything else. This includes the degree of control I have over managing my own DNS entries, and where they get managed. LP appears to require that I use their nameservers as the authoritative servers for my domain.


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Re: Hosting without Changing Nameservers
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 12:08:10 PM »
Well, maybe it's standard industry terminology, but it isn't/wasn't used at LP when I was setting up my site. At this point, all I can suggest is that you have your registrar's tech guy talk to some LP tech guy and see if they can come to an agreement on just what this "Critical Note" is saying, and what you need to do at your registrar beyond simply pointing to LP's nameservers. If you are doing a simple site setup with primary domain, subdomains (if any), and email all at LP, AFAIK it's nothing beyond that, but I think you need the tech guys to come to agreement and reassure you about what it means. Be sure to get in the loop and let both sides know just what you want to do -- don't let either side make assumptions about where you want to end up with your site (what function is hosted where). Good luck!
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