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« on: March 19, 2003, 12:04:00 PM » |
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I started out in webdesign using go ol Notepad and enventually 'upgraded' to using Frontpage. I'm still very much a novice webmaster, I can write html by hand but in terms of programing, html is as far as I go. So far Frontpage has served me well but I'd like to learn PHP and use an HTML editor that supports PHP pages.
I posted a question under the PHP/SQL topic regarding getting started in PHP... but here I'd like to be more specific with HTML editors.
Hopefully some of you have used both and can give me some pros and cons on Frontpage vs. Dreamweaver (besides cost). And if there are other editors besides the two worth looking at. And if it isn't obvious already, I'm working with Windows.
Thanks!
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Boris
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2003, 12:50:00 AM » |
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I'm all for dreamweaver. I too was using notepad (back in what...96 !["[Smile]"]("smile.gif" "\"\"") ) then i moved to claris homepage (ack ) then frontpage express and finally dreamwaver 3 found me I just upgraded to dreamweaver MX a couple days ago and i have to say I really like it since php/asp are now native coding languages (since they purchased allaire about two years back ) and that is really useful when coding more..complex pages than html For Frontpage vs. Dreamweaver I can't really give you solid arguments since i stopped using frontpage such a long time ago. But dreamweaver will always be more *pro* than frontpage imho. I'll try to find some stuff on recent frontage...so stay tuned !["[Razz]"]("tongue.gif" "\"\"") |
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2003, 01:19:00 AM » |
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What really puts me off Frontpage are the templates it comes with.
So many people use them, and all their websites look the same!
Of course, you don't have to use them...
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ionad
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2003, 10:36:00 AM » |
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I certainly don't use any of the templates that come with frontpage... basically, everything that that makes frontpage unique, I'm using less and less of. About the only thing is use it for is forms... and even then, I can't control the output very well. (hence wanting to learn PHP). I'm currently downloading the demo of Dreamweaver from Macromedia (it's going to take 4 hours {stupid dialup !["[silly]"]("graemlins/silly.gif" "\"\"") }) |
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ionad
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2003, 11:35:00 AM » |
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Whoa... so my computer finished downloading the 30 day trial of Dreamweaver MX in the wee hours of the morning... and I finally got around to installing it... WHOA! !["[eek]"]("graemlins/eek.gif" "\"\"") Learning Curve... Can anyone tell me if I buy the boxed program, does it come with an actual manual printed on good ol' paper? Online manuals are great (expecially in the sense that they save a lot of trees) but this is a case where I need a book in front of me. Also... since I'm currently editing my site with FrontPage (and frontpage extensions installed) how careful do I need to be as I experiment with DreamWeaver... And lastly... I'll dig through the online manual for this too... currently as I edit through frontpage I do nothing locally... my domain acts like network location... but as I try that with Dreamweaver I don't seem to get anywhere (and editing locally doesn't help me when experimenting with PHP). Does that make sense? Thanks |
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Brian
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2003, 02:29:00 PM » |
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well first off ionad, i think dreamweaver is a fabulous program, far better than frontpage in my opinion. as for help books, i don't believe when you buy it it comes with an in-depth help book, however there are some fabulous ones out there. i happen to be fond of Peachpit Press' Macromedia series. check it out at www.peachpit.com -Brian |
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amy
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2003, 03:11:00 PM » |
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Hey Brian.. Say fabulous again !["[Wink]"]("wink.gif" "\"\"") |
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Brian
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2003, 01:25:00 AM » |
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you really like the fabulousness of my fabulous way of say fabulous?
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2003, 04:41:00 PM » |
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Dreamweaver by far outweighs and out performs anything that is available.
Frontpage has one HUGE problem. It inserts unwanted/unneeded code into your HTML. A trademark of Micro$oft.
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Boris
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2003, 12:00:00 PM » |
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Well actually dreamweaver also adds some unecessary html code into your page. if you make a search on google (or actually dmoz, category dreamweaver) there's a site that gets rid of it. Of coure there's so much less crap from macromedia than macrosoft that it's really the better alternative. I never tried the golive solution from adobe,. Any feedback on it? |
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ionad
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2003, 12:36:00 PM » |
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Well... with only few hours of playing with the program it does appear the DreamWeaver is much more professionally geared program... which is good, more control, more functions.... but as I said in a previous post... it's going to be a learning curve. I've become very accustomed to using Frontpage and the transition is going to take some time...
I mentioned books in an early post... does anyone know of any resources specifically geared toward people making a Frontpage/DreamWeaver switch?
Thanks,
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2003, 08:24:00 PM » |
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Dreamweaver is the way to go, if you ask me. Hard coding is nice, but why bother? Heheh Umm as far as learning curve, you could always pick up the Video Tutorial !["[dance]"]("graemlins/dance.gif" "\"\"") |
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2003, 11:28:00 PM » |
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Check out 1stPage2000 from evrsoft.com. It is a free html editor with lots of bells and whistles but is not wysiwyg. It's for people who want a little more control over the actual code.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2003, 05:19:00 PM » |
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Try that split code/design view in dreamweaver. Nice, eh?
I've never seen DW put any extra code in my pages. And, you can set what it starts off a new page with. All I've ever seen it add are the basic tags to get a page started.
Of course all the little built in js functions start with mm_ but I don't mind giving credit where it's due.
I think it's outstanding. Full control over your code, full WYSIWYG -it's nice to edit a page that's showing you the data out of db fields while you're working on it, server models, extensibility, it goes on...
But sometimes I still miss Hot Dog heheh
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